Why does NY think feds should give them money?

@wildgrass said
. Illegal immigration is a federal problem no matter what state the immigrant currently lives in..

Yeesh

Oh, I forgot to answer this from above. Yes, I agree, illegal immigration is most assuredly a federal problem. Why type that, you may as well say the sky is blue.
These posts are about aliens that our country is letting come over.....not illegal.

@athousandyoung said
Should we increase taxes to pay for it?

Seems like border security spends far less money than does an open border.

Isn't that obvious to you?

@techsouth said
Seems like border security spends far less money than does an open border.

Isn't that obvious to you?

Yes, since they do not seem to be doing anything except maybe ordering lunch. Our expense comes with supporting these millions.
I would assume the libs here would have a problem with unvaccinated children in our grade schools....but not a peep out of them.

@earl-of-trumps said
Check these out, this is my state, Massachusetts.


Howie Carr on Republican Primary: ‘I Don’t Think There’s Any Way Trump Could Be Stopped’
[i]“These illegal aliens are being brought in in states far, far from the border, not just New York State, although that’s where, you know, there’s still a lot of attention, but like in Massachusetts, for instance, just ...[text shortened]... s.go.com/US/wireStory/massachusetts-governor-declares-state-emergency-amid-influx-migrants-102114475

I'm surprised to see a self-proclaimed Libertarian criticizing property owners for raising the rent beyond what the current tenants can pay. Normally Libertarians are more concerned with the property owner's interests than that of tenants.

@techsouth said
Seems like border security spends far less money than does an open border.

Isn't that obvious to you?

No it is not.

@athousandyoung said
I'm surprised to see a self-proclaimed Libertarian criticizing property owners for raising the rent beyond what the current tenants can pay. Normally Libertarians are more concerned with the property owner's interests than that of tenants.

I just can't click on links, life is too short. I gather though, that there is a movement to require landlords to NOT raise rents more than someone can pay? What in the hell? A landlord's use of his property can hardly be predicated on what someone can pay. He can lock the doors and raise goldfish if he wants to .

@athousandyoung said
No it is not.

I often hear people say that we should stop paying congressmen their $175,000 per year salaries and give that money to teachers. While I support teachers, I did a little math and determined that if we cut all congressmen's salaries to $0, that would allow us to raise the average teacher salary by $29 per year.

Lot's of American's aren't good at estimating the scale of things. So don't feel bad like you're the only one.

@techsouth said
I often hear people say that we should stop paying congressmen their $175,000 per year salaries and give that money to teachers. While I support teachers, I did a little math and determined that if we cut all congressmen's salaries to $0, that would allow us to raise the average teacher salary by $29 per year.

Lot's of American's aren't good at estimating the scale of things. So don't feel bad like you're the only one.

Often? You run in weird social circles.

Just answer that Feds don't pay teacher salaries and youd shut them up. Maybe you'd hear it less often 😜

@averagejoe1 said
Oh, I forgot to answer this from above. Yes, I agree, illegal immigration is most assuredly a federal problem. Why type that, you may as well say the sky is blue.
These posts are about aliens that our country is letting come over.....not illegal.

You're a weird bird. The entire thread topic you propose is Feds should not help New York deal with illegals and now you admit that Feds are the problem. A better question: Why should new York state tax payers be required to clean up trump's mess?

@techsouth said
I often hear people say that we should stop paying congressmen their $175,000 per year salaries and give that money to teachers. While I support teachers, I did a little math and determined that if we cut all congressmen's salaries to $0, that would allow us to raise the average teacher salary by $29 per year.

Lot's of American's aren't good at estimating the scale of things. So don't feel bad like you're the only one.

What's your cost estimate for full time sentries along the entire length of the border with a reserve force capable of arresting large groups of people and imprisoning them?

@wildgrass said
You're a weird bird. The entire thread topic you propose is Feds should not help New York deal with illegals and now you admit that Feds are the problem. A better question: Why should new York state tax payers be required to clean up trump's mess?

You once again misrepresent, and like your friends, keep saying 'illegal'. I am posing a question about people who are approved to enter our country, who then end up walking or riding a bus to NYC. They are legally there, thus subject to the laws of NYC.
I did not say 'feds should not help NYC deal with illegals". I say it is the problem of NYC if a guy legal on Tuesday commits a crime on Wednesday. Do you actually think that the Fed should swoop in to NYC in such a situation.?

(Did you say Trump?)

@averagejoe1 said
You once again misrepresent, and like your friends, keep saying 'illegal'. I am posing a question about people who are approved to enter our country, who then end up walking or riding a bus to NYC. They are legally there, thus subject to the laws of NYC.
I did not say 'feds should not help NYC deal with illegals". I say it is the problem of NYC if a guy legal on ...[text shortened]... you actually think that the Fed should swoop in to NYC in such a situation.?

(Did you say Trump?)

To avoid confusion, you should not refer to legal migrants as illegals. This was from your original post.

Immigration into the US needs reform. No doubt. Yes, Trump made this problem worse. He had multiple years with full control of Congress, and illegal immigration increased.

@wildgrass said
To avoid confusion, you should not refer to legal migrants as illegals. This was from your original post.

Immigration into the US needs reform. No doubt. Yes, Trump made this problem worse. He had multiple years with full control of Congress, and illegal immigration increased.

Oops, I did, indeed say illegals in my original post. However, through these five pages, I have asked a different question with regard to those who are legal in our country. Sorry for the confusion my error.

On page 3, I posted a new question, asking how feds are responsible for immigrants (legally entered) in NYC. Here it is.

f an alien is let in at the border under Biden instructions, and the alien makes his way to Wisconsin, thumbs a ride, hikes a ways, finds a dollar on the ground for a bus ticket and gets to Wisconsin, tell me where he is a Federal Problem.
You simply cannot answer this question because you now realize that it (the alien) is not a Federal Problem!!! SO< HOW can the 80 people on a bus be a federal problem???
Surely you are not going to give me another win!!! C'mon , play the debate game, just having fun here. I doubt Marauder will chime in because no link exists disproving my point.
The Point: Aliens in NYC are not a federal problem. Prove me wrong.

@wildgrass said
Often? You run in weird social circles.

Just answer that Feds don't pay teacher salaries and youd shut them up. Maybe you'd hear it less often 😜

Okay, more accurately "read people online". Sorry for I misstatement. I am greatly humbled by my inaccuracy.

But I don't know. I thought pointing out that $29 wasn't much of a yearly raise and they would see that the idea has no practical value. But I'll try your idea next time. I'm sure these people have thought it out in detail and believe they have a very practical solution. If only I point out the one tiny flaw I'm sure the whole Internet will become slightly more educated based on your idea and we will eliminate bad suggestions on the Internet. Surely these people were thinking a $29 yearly raise would be a total game changer for teachers, and once they see that most teachers are not paid by the federal government, and that the federal government is powerless to subsidize anything, they'll see the actual flaw in their plan and go back to the drawing board.

Thanks for your contribution.

@athousandyoung said
What's your cost estimate for full time sentries along the entire length of the border with a reserve force capable of arresting large groups of people and imprisoning them?

I'd actually try building a wall first that would reduce, but not eliminate people crossing. It takes fewer sentries to guard to wall than to guard wide open space. If it is more difficult to cross, there are fewer people to arrest.