Why does NY think feds should give them money?

@techsouth said
I'd actually try building a wall first that would reduce, but not eliminate people crossing. It takes fewer sentries to guard to wall than to guard wide open space. If it is more difficult to cross, there are fewer people to arrest.

I agree, since anything is better than the existing crisis.
10,000/month are descending like locusts on NYC. Are you not amazed that Biden ignores it, like he does the pitiful community of Palestine. Says he is too busy, finding his way to his bed.

@averagejoe1 said
Oops, I did, indeed say illegals in my original post. However, through these five pages, I have asked a different question with regard to those who are legal in our country. Sorry for the confusion my error.

On page 3, I posted a new question, asking how feds are responsible for immigrants (legally entered) in NYC. Here it is.

f an alien is let in at the border ...[text shortened]... nk exists disproving my point.
The Point: Aliens in NYC are not a federal problem. Prove me wrong.

It's contradictory to asset that Feds created the problem but should not be responsible for cleaning it up.

What's frustrating is that Republicans have been running political campaigns on this issue for 20 years. We keep voting them into office. They get an ideal opportunity and a societal mandate to fix it while trump was in office and they made it worse.

And we keep voting them into office?

@techsouth said
Okay, more accurately "read people online". Sorry for I misstatement. I am greatly humbled by my inaccuracy.

But I don't know. I thought pointing out that $29 wasn't much of a yearly raise and they would see that the idea has no practical value. But I'll try your idea next time. I'm sure these people have thought it out in detail and believe they have a very practic ...[text shortened]... see the actual flaw in their plan and go back to the drawing board.

Thanks for your contribution.

Right. It's easier to post an absurd comment you read "often" somewhere obscure on the internet, and then point out how absurd it obviously is, than to debate real alternative solutions involved in immigration reform. That was my point.

@averagejoe1 said
I agree, since anything is better than the existing crisis.
10,000/month are descending like locusts on NYC. Are you not amazed that Biden ignores it, like he does the pitiful community of Palestine. Says he is too busy, finding his way to his bed.

Not only does he ignore the grief it's causing, he is still actively trying to make it worse. I can't even explain the apparent desire to destroy the US. Gaining votes doesn't explain it. Incompetence can't explain it. Although it is hard to believe that Democrats are deliberately trying to make things worse, that's the only explanation I can think of.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-border-barriers-buoys-removed-federal-judge-biden-administration/

@wildgrass said
Right. It's easier to post an absurd comment you read "often" somewhere obscure on the internet, and then point out how absurd it obviously is, than to debate real alternative solutions involved in immigration reform. That was my point.

I hadn't even intended to debate that, and in fact, no one here debated it. I thought at least for that, the absurdity was beyond dispute and not even profound enough that I would claim credit for noticing it.

I just brought it up as an attempt to make someone not feel so bad that they weren't the only one bad at judging the scale of costs. For some reason, someone decided they could help me debate better when this absurd suggestion came up again, even though I wasn't looking for help.

@techsouth said
I'd actually try building a wall first that would reduce, but not eliminate people crossing. It takes fewer sentries to guard to wall than to guard wide open space. If it is more difficult to cross, there are fewer people to arrest.

Ok so 2000 miles of wall AND sentries. You want to add that to the budget but I’m guessing you don’t want to increase tax revenue.

@athousandyoung said
Ok so 2000 miles of wall AND sentries. You want to add that to the budget but I’m guessing you don’t want to increase tax revenue.

You've got a point.

I should probably find a perfect solution to balancing the budget that everyone would be happy with, or be willing to agree to be happy with unlimited government spending on anything if I am to even utter an opinion on any other topic.

But I think the cost is affected a lot more by the number of sentries than it is affected by the simply binary operation of it has at least one sentry or not.

@techsouth said
I hadn't even intended to debate that, and in fact, no one here debated it. I thought at least for that, the absurdity was beyond dispute and not even profound enough that I would claim credit for noticing it.

I just brought it up as an attempt to make someone not feel so bad that they weren't the only one bad at judging the scale of costs. For some reason, someone dec ...[text shortened]... p me debate better when this absurd suggestion came up again, even though I wasn't looking for help.

Lol nah. You mentioned it to avoid discussion of the staggeringly high cost of border security you are proposing, and that at best you'd only catch 1/2 of illegal immigrants with that approach.

@wildgrass said
Lol nah. You mentioned it to avoid discussion of the staggeringly high cost of border security you are proposing, and that at best you'd only catch 1/2 of illegal immigrants with that approach.

Catching 1/2 of 100,000 illegal immigrants is a lot cheaper than catching 1/2 of 10,000,000 illegal immigrants.

Kind of difficult to process that though.

@wildgrass said
It's contradictory to asset that Feds created the problem but should not be responsible for cleaning it up.

What's frustrating is that Republicans have been running political campaigns on this issue for 20 years. We keep voting them into office. They get an ideal opportunity and a societal mandate to fix it while trump was in office and they made it worse.

And we keep voting them into office?

"Its contradictory to assert that Feds created the problem....."
Let us first stipulate that on day 1 of Joe swearing in, he began this problem. Talk Trump all you want, Joe simply let it ride, made it worse. But regardless who to blame, the federal govt has let all these people engorge the border...and 143 are on the Terror Watch List...whom we KNOW about.
But here we are 2 years later and yes, the Feds are creating, have created, the problem, we agree. But since they began to ALLOW these people to come in, are they supposed to 'follow' them around and monitor them, take care of them, be responsible for them, act on any violations of state law? Put them in jail? What jail does fed govt put them in? Where and how do they prosecute them. Wildgrass, do the state law enforcers step back and give jurisdiction of the aliens over to the Feds? What? Man, you libs are truly sponsors of Nanny Government.
So answer my 5 questions above, please. You should close your posts,.. you suggest that the Feds clean it up, but you don't say how. It would mean the feds arrest and prosecute, I guess in Federal court, while the State law enforcers are not involved?
Did you say that AvJoe is contradictory, when you are saying that the Feds take the role of the State in arrest and prosecution?
Yes, that is what you are saying.
I stand by my point. When Fed let these people into our country, they have been given a semblance, a category, of belonging here, subject to all the state laws, and just a few fed laws, like blowen a fed bldg.

@averagejoe1 said
"Its contradictory to assert that Feds created the problem....."
Let us first stipulate that on day 1 of Joe swearing in, he began this problem. Talk Trump all you want, Joe simply let it ride, made it worse. But regardless who to blame, the federal govt has let all these people engorge the border...and 143 are on the Terror Watch List...whom we KNOW about.
B ...[text shortened]... of belonging here, subject to all the state laws, and just a few fed laws, like blowen a fed bldg.

You should close your posts,.. you suggest that the Feds clean it up, but you don't say how. It would mean the feds arrest and prosecute, I guess in Federal court, while the State law enforcers are not involved?

Have they broken any laws?

For illegal immigrants, the solutions are simple: deport. Raid businesses, like farms, where half of the workers are illegal, and deport.

For legal immigrants overwhelming state resources, the federal government has an obligation to help with housing and food. Otherwise they would not have let them in.

Immigration needs fixing, for sure.

@techsouth said
Catching 1/2 of 100,000 illegal immigrants is a lot cheaper than catching 1/2 of 10,000,000 illegal immigrants.

Kind of difficult to process that though.

How much cheaper is your solution?

If you want fewer illegals, mandatory E-verify and increased manpower / resources for internal deportation of illegal immigrants are both much better uses of tax dollars than your dumb wall. More than half of illegals were here legally at some point and just overstayed their visa.

@techsouth said
Not only does he ignore the grief it's causing, he is still actively trying to make it worse. I can't even explain the apparent desire to destroy the US. Gaining votes doesn't explain it. Incompetence can't explain it. Although it is hard to believe that Democrats are deliberately trying to make things worse, that's the only explanation I can think of.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-border-barriers-buoys-removed-federal-judge-biden-administration/

Perplexing, isn't it?

Ever since the government got caught supplying weapons to the Mexican Cartels, I've thought that the folks
in deep state were getting a cut of the $hundreds of millions in booty that the cartels make.
The Republicans are tossing the idea of fighting the cartels with the US military, and the leaders in Mexico are furious.

funny world

@athousandyoung removed their quoted post

Your quote appears mis-attributed. I didn't even suggest that.