28 Oct 09
Originally posted by KazetNagorraLOL. As for myself, I think that being a conservative determines the value of a life. Otherwise, they can be devalued and herded into death camps since they obviously are a cancer on society at large. 😛
I don't think there is such a thing as a "right to life".
I value human rights greatly, but the degree of consciousness determines to a large extent the value of life.
28 Oct 09
Originally posted by whodeyBeing a conservative determines the value of life? That doesn't mean anything.
LOL. As for myself, I think that being a conservative determines the value of a life. Otherwise, they can be devalued and herded into death camps since they obviously are a cancer on society at large. 😛
Look, this isn't so controversial as it sounds. Almost everyone believes killing humans is sometimes allowed, in war, self-defense, abortion or whatever. If you believe there are exceptions to the rule that there is a "right to life", then there is no "right to life" in the first place.
28 Oct 09
Originally posted by KazetNagorraYeah that's the trouble with the world today, all these people going around insisting on all these "rights" they think they have. The "right" to life, the "right" to the freedom of speech, actually this whole "freedom" thing in general you know? I mean, everyone likes rights and freedom to a point, but so many people just take it to extremes, it just gets in the way of real progress.
If you believe there are exceptions to the rule that there is a "right to life", then there is no "right to life" in the first place.
28 Oct 09
Originally posted by whodeyCertainly not the zest to continue as career politicians. They all love the job and for many that is the motivating factor for continued political loife, not making their country greater.
I got to thinking, if the Republicans adopt the pro-choice position, as sh76 has, what then would distinguish the Republicans from the Democrats?
28 Oct 09
Originally posted by badmoonHeretiic!! What we need is more government intervention and more beauracrats. They are the savior of us all!!
Certainly not the zest to continue as career politicians. They all love the job and for many that is the motivating factor for continued political loife, not making their country greater.
To the gallows of political correctness with ya!! ðŸ˜
28 Oct 09
Originally posted by SleepyguyI don't believe there is a right to anything, other than being endowed with a capacity to fight for certain rights as well as the freedom to exercise them, given the context of the society we may be lucky/unlucky enough to be born into.
Yeah that's the trouble with the world today, all these people going around insisting on all these "rights" they think they have. The "right" to life, the "right" to the freedom of speech, actually this whole "freedom" thing in general you know? I mean, everyone likes rights and freedom to a point, but so many people just take it to extremes, it just gets in the way of real progress.
28 Oct 09
Originally posted by whodeyAbortion is not a cut and dry Republican vs Democrat issue. In fact about 40 house Dems are threatening to torpedo ObamaCare over it.
I got to thinking, if the Republicans adopt the pro-choice position, as sh76 has, what then would distinguish the Republicans from the Democrats?
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Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) on Tuesday threatened that he may work with Republicans to torpedo healthcare reform unless he gets a vote to strip abortion-related provisions out of the House bill.
Stupak wants a floor vote on a measure that would prohibit taxpayer funds from being used for abortions. And in an interview on C-SPAN on Tuesday, he suggested if Democratic leaders don’t give him the vote, he’ll work with Republicans.
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http://thehill.com/homenews/house/65099-stupak-threatens-to-work-with-gop-to-kill-health-bill
28 Oct 09
Originally posted by SleepyguyWith victory so near for Obamacare it would have to be a slightly stupak democrat that went ahead and tried to go and scuttle it now wouldn't it?
Abortion is not a cut and dry Republican vs Democrat issue. In fact about 40 house Dems are threatening to torpedo ObamaCare over it.
28 Oct 09
Originally posted by kmax87That sounds like a political calculation. His reasoning seems to be on principle.
With victory so near for Obamacare it would have to be a slightly stupak democrat that went ahead and tried to go and scuttle it now wouldn't it?
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The Michigan Democrat said he will not be backing down: “I’m comfortable with where I’m at. This is who I am. It’s reflective of my district. If it costs me my seat, so be it.
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/65099-stupak-threatens-to-work-with-gop-to-kill-health-bill
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Anyway, my point was that abortion doesn't break perfectly along party lines. I think this kerfuffle in the house illustrates that point.
28 Oct 09
Originally posted by SleepyguyAll jokes aside the fact that politicians still do vote on conscience with respect to certain weighty issues of ethics and morality is a cause for some celebration. We have not all been swallowed by the Borg, yet!
..... His reasoning seems to be on principle.
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The Michigan Democrat said he will not be backing down: “I’m comfortable with where I’m at. This is who I am. It’s reflective of my district. If it costs me my seat, so be it.
28 Oct 09
Originally posted by whodeyWhat would or what should?
I got to thinking, if the Republicans adopt the pro-choice position, as sh76 has, what then would distinguish the Republicans from the Democrats?
What would? Who knows?
What should? The Republicans should adopt
1) A fundamental belief in freedom of the individual rather than freedom of the collective
2) A belief in maintaining a balanced budget except in the event of a true emergency (which we have not had since Pearl Harbor)
3) The view that government is there to do what is necessary; not whatever is desired
4) A belief in personal social and economic freedom
5) A belief in a robust media, free from government interference
I'm sure there are others; but this is a pretty good start.