@metal-brain saidIt was not contested other than lies.
What makes them illegal? The election was contested.
The prosecutor investigating possible illegal meddling in the 2020 election in Georgia has agreed to immunity deals with at least eight Republican alternate electors who signed a certificate stating that then-President Donald Trump had won the state. If what they did was illegal why were they granted immunity in the Georgia election probe?
@wildgrass saidWhat lies? Whose lies? How do you know they were lies?
It was not contested other than lies.
If it was illegal why is there a need for the Electoral count act?
https://www.cardin.senate.gov/news/u-s-senate-bills-would-ban-fake-electors-clear-up-electoral-college-procedures/
@metal-brain saidYes, the Democrats filed suit; they didn't just name a bunch of fake electors with fake credentials.
ere is an excerpt from your link:
"On November 17, however, Nixon's electors were certified the winners when the final official tally gave the Republican a 141 vote margin.
The Democrats decided to demand a recount of the results of the election and the Republicans and Lieutenant Governor agreed not to contest the Democrats' petition.
The Democrats then fil ...[text shortened]... rdin.senate.gov/news/u-s-senate-bills-would-ban-fake-electors-clear-up-electoral-college-procedures/
@metal-brain saidYou grant immunity to people who broke the law, not to people who are innocent. If they didn't do anything illegal, they don't need immunity.
What makes them illegal? The election was contested.
The prosecutor investigating possible illegal meddling in the 2020 election in Georgia has agreed to immunity deals with at least eight Republican alternate electors who signed a certificate stating that then-President Donald Trump had won the state. If what they did was illegal why were they granted immunity in the Georgia election probe?
And then they testify against others.
You contest elections by going to court, not by naming phony electors. Trump's campaign lost every substantive court case contesting the election; in Georgia, there had been a hand count of every single ballot validating Biden's victory finished by November 20th, weeks before the fake electors were created.
@no1marauder saidRepublicans didn't file suit? The election was contested.
Yes, the Democrats filed suit; they didn't just name a bunch of fake electors with fake credentials.
Three of the "fake" electors: DAVID SHAFER, SHAWN STILL and CATHY LATHAM were all charged for their participation in the election interference conspiracy. https://apnews.com/article/trump-georgia-indictment-meadows-guiliani-084efc6796becef3714196cee3854cf6
Among other charges, they were all charged with IMPERSONATING PUBLIC OFFICER, FORGERY IN THE FIRST DEGREE, FALSE STATEMENTS AND WRITINGS and CRWAL ATTEMPT To COMMIT FALSE DOCUMENTS all from actions performed in furtherance of the "fake electors" scheme. https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2023/08/CRIMINAL-INDICTMENT-Trump-Fulton-County-GA.pdf
@no1marauder saidNo. If they broke the law you press charges. Who are they going to testify against if the alternate electors broke the law? Trump did not force them to break the law if that is what they really did.
You grant immunity to people who broke the law, not to people who are innocent. If they didn't do anything illegal, they don't need immunity.
And then they testify against others.
You contest elections by going to court, not by naming phony electors. Trump's campaign lost every substantive court case contesting the election; in Georgia, there had been a hand count o ...[text shortened]... t validating Biden's victory finished by November 20th, weeks before the fake electors were created.
@metal-brain saidThere were no pending lawsuits when the fake electors met and declared themselves the duly elected electors on December 14, 2020. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-election_lawsuits_related_to_the_2020_United_States_presidential_election_from_Georgia
Republicans didn't file suit? The election was contested.
A frivolous lawsuit was filed long after that on December 31, 2020 and dismissed on January 7th.
@metal-brain saidGod, you're stupid. What do people who have broken no laws need immunity for?
No. If they broke the law you press charges. Who are they going to testify against if the alternate electors broke the law? Trump did not force them to break the law if that is what they really did.
The alternate electors who did not cooperate with the prosecution were charged as I just showed. And Trump was the head of the conspiracy.
@no1marauder saidTrump filed suit in Georgia.
Yes, the Democrats filed suit; they didn't just name a bunch of fake electors with fake credentials.
@no1marauder saidHow was Trump responsible for the alternate electors breaking laws?
God, you're stupid. What do people who have broken no laws need immunity for?
The alternate electors who did not cooperate with the prosecution were charged as I just showed. And Trump was the head of the conspiracy.
Did he hold a gun to their heads?
"COUNT 8 of 41
And the Grand Jurors aforesaid, in the name and behalf ofthe citizens of Georgia, do
charge and accuse DAVID JAMES SHAFER, SHAWN MICAH TRESHER STILL, and CATHLEEN ALSTON LATHAM with the offense ofIMPERSONATING PUBLIC OFFICER, O.C.G.A. 16-10-23, for the said accused, individually and as persons concerned in
the commission of crime, and together with unindicted co-conspirators, in the County of Fulton and State of Georgia, on or about the 14th day of December 2020, unlawfully falsely held themselves out as the duly elected and qualified presidential electors from the State of Georgia, public officers, with intent to mislead the President of the United States Senate, the Archivist of the United States, the Georgia Secretary of State, and the Chief Judge of the United States District Court for the Northern District of Georgia into believing that they actually were such officers by placing in the United States mail to said persons document titled "CERTIFICATE OF THE VOTES OF THE 2020 ELECTORS FROM GEORGIA," contrary to the laws of said State, the good order, peace and dignity thereof."
https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2023/08/CRIMINAL-INDICTMENT-Trump-Fulton-County-GA.pdf
@metal-brain saidAre you really that stupid? No, the head of a conspiracy doesn't have to force people into the conspiracy in order for him to be found to be a conspirator.
How was Trump responsible for the alternate electors breaking laws?
Did he hold a gun to their heads?
@metal-brain saidAnd lost. Unlike Hawaii in 1960, there was no court ordered recount or any relief granted to his campaign.
Trump filed suit in Georgia.
@no1marauder
How was Trump responsible for the alternate electors breaking laws?
Did he hold a gun to their heads?
Do you support giving those alternate electors immunity for breaking the law while those who trespassed on Capitol grounds got none? You said the protestors were following Trump so he was responsible for their actions, but not the alternate electors?
Are the the alternate electors less guilty of doing Trump's bidding than the protesters who were let into the CB by the CP?