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Originally posted by pradtfTrust me. Pretending to be civilized because you eat only plants is a far cry from being capable of participation in truly worthy efforts to improve the world. Cure a disease. Prevent a war. Work against poverty. Take good american and euro jobs to the third world. Stop with the protectionism already. Share the wealth. Kill a bad guy. Stop enabling them with your vapid notions of superiority. Pretending there are not millions dedicated to chaos and death only enables them. Do your part. Get a uniform and defend yourself and others in need. You won't do that by eating carrots and saving shrubbry at the shrine of insipidity.
their slaughter necessitates being 'civilized' and history provides many examples of people being that way.
being 'civilized' is not denial - in fact, it is 'progress' and shows that many people are indeed 'facing up to who and wh ...[text shortened]... ll a long time, but 35000 years is longer.
in friendship,
prad
In Astonishment,
Mike
Originally posted by richhoey"WWF"...is that the World Wrestling Federation?...since when did The Undertaker and Hulk Hogan become environmental experts?...😀
Thanks for answering. There has already been an increase in fatal extreme weather events, but human populations are extremely robust and by the time the world's population is affected, it will be much, much too late to do anything about it. But we can use the much more fragile world of animals and plants as an indicator of trouble to come (and as depressin ...[text shortened]... ate about how much of this is due to the greenhouse effect, but some of it probably is.
Rich.
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Originally posted by StarValleyWyi am not sure why you are suddenly taking us down vegetarian alley - nor have you given the slightest encouragement for trusting you.
Trust me. Pretending to be civilized because you eat only plants is a far cry from being capable of participation in truly worthy efforts to improve the world. Cure a disease. Prevent a war. Work against poverty. Take good american and ...[text shortened]... shrubbry at the shrine of insipidity.
In Astonishment,
Mike
when i write "history provides many examples of people being that way [civilized]", the issue of 'eating carrots and saving shrubbry at the shrine of insipidity' was not really haunting me. (however, you may have a hard time refuting the well-established correlations between non-plant-based diets and disease, poverty, employment and posstbly even war - but let's not try this here or now)
the very fact that you offer these various 'solutions' suggest that you do not feel we are required to eternally remain in the den of our forefathers. you no doubt acknowledge, there are other ways to be true to oneself than lasciviously predatating all in our path.
therefore, it seems hardly appropriate for you to condemn the statements of the likes of richhoey as being arrogant when you are encouraging all these 'do goody' things to engage the population in 'truly worthy efforts to improve the world'!
and all this after "Let the nest burn and be fouled beyond belief! That way, we will have to get out of it and populate the planets. Then the stars."
perhaps that is whence the Astonishment springs forth from.
in friendship,
prad
Originally posted by pradtfIt is the pseudo-denial that slays me. You pretend to be civilized based solely on eating plants. All the time REFUSING to carry your share of the burden in creating a civilized world. The main event of which is "pest control" of those who kill for the sake of it. Hell, you even deny that they exist. That is the "pseudo" part. You figure that be eating only plants and railing against normal behavior you are contributing "your share" to a civilization. You are in denial. You are contributing nothing.
i am not sure why you are suddenly taking us down vegetarian alley - nor have you given the slightest encouragement for trusting you.
when i write "history provides many examples of people being that way [civilized]", the issue of 'eating carrots and saving shrubbry at the shrine of insipidity' was not really haunting me. (however, you may have a hard ...[text shortened]... s."
perhaps that is whence the Astonishment springs forth from.
in friendship,
prad
As for trusting me... why would I want you to? Why should you? I don't think trust is the issue. The issue is the big bad world full of really bad people and cowards who hide behind a fake form of superiority instead of admitting they are cowards who can't and won't fight for themselves and their families. They pretend to be "above" such things. After all... everything they do is "In Friendship". Right?
And ooooh! Food causes disease. Crap! Life causes it too. Life is the number one killer amongst all living things! Oooooh! That is so frightening I can hardly stand it. You want to live forever? Good luck. Eat a damned rabbit instead of socializing with them.
The reason I encourge all people to do something besides eat plants to improve the world is that we have enough rabbits in the world. I am my own most harsh critic. I have done nothing worth mentioning. And I am able to recognize that fact. It also allows me to spot phonies a mile away. You and Rich are two perfect examples. If you don't like the truth, then change. But stop with the pretention that you are a friend. You are only a lost little kid in need of a spanking. You can't even take responsibility for your own defence for crying out loud.
The Astonisment comes from having to abide in a world of spineless rabbits and pretend that they are anything but cowards. Nevermind. Go eat a carrot. Build an alter to a shrub. Make an organic crapper. That can be your contribution to our astonishingly foolish civilization.
Originally posted by StarValleyWyWhat's an organic crapper? I thought it was all organic.
It is the pseudo-denial that slays me. You pretend to be civilized based solely on eating plants. All the time REFUSING to carry your share of the burden in creating a civilized world. The main event of which is "pest control" of those who kill for the sake of it. Hell, you even deny that they exist. That is the "pseudo" part. You figure that be eat ...[text shortened]... ic crapper. That can be your contribution to our astonishingly foolish civilization.
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Originally posted by StarValleyWyIt is the pseudo-denial that slays me ... You are in denial.
It is the pseudo-denial that slays me. You pretend to be civilized based solely on eating plants. All the time REFUSING to carry your share of the burden in creating a civilized world. The main event of which is "pest control" of tho ...[text shortened]... ontribution to our astonishingly foolish civilization.
what exactly is a pseudo-denial that simultaneously co-exists with a (non-pseudo) denial?
what does eating plants have to do with any of this?
unless you are suggesting that vegetarians deplete the planet's flora via consumption thereby contributing to the greenhouse effect 😀 or were you insinuating emissions 😀
As for trusting me... why would I want you to?
that was your imperative in a previous post - certainly not mine.
cowards who can't and won't fight for themselves and their families.
evidently, you do not recognize the courage of activists from many fields who fought and fight against overwhelming odds. a good thing to start a thread on later, but somewhat applicable here since many of them would be american.
Life is the number one killer amongst all living things!
well that is certainly all inclusive, but beyond the obvious redundancies, the stats may not bear it out.
It also allows me to spot phonies a mile away.
well you certainly attempt to hurl (pseudo?) insults at them. perhaps, this is your way of 'a spanking'? 😀
come on mike! let's talk about what's relevant to the thread again (i'll give you a chance at the veg stuff later). but if you are going on the attack, how about at least presenting some semi-cohesive, partially validatable arguments instead of spewing these personal vendettas.
in friendship,
prad
[ but human populations are extremely robust and by the time the world's population is affected,Would you consider the populations of sub-sahara Africa as robust? Or is the death of a few million of them through climate change not worth considering? Would it be racist to regard their lives as unimportant?
Of course I can not state with certainity that rising CO2 wiill create a drought in Ethopia. On the evidence, it appears more than probable. If I am wrong, we would have reduced our emissions for no reason and I will have slightly less possessions.
On the other hand - if climate change is being driven by industrial emissions and this change is reasonably major, your refusal to alter your polluting behaviour will starve, flood and otherwise kill many poor people. Prove to me this will not happen.
Will foreign aid increase to compensate any victims of your greed and stupidity?
Originally posted by StarValleyWy
Again you are wrong. Just because species go extinct doesn't mean there is pressure ON THE PRESSURING, CAUSAL species. It just means it is more robust. Species come and they go. By the millions and billions. Sometimes with startling rapidity. The earth doesn't care. This is what I meant by your "Elitist" attitude. You seem to be claiming that you sp ...[text shortened]... he insect. That is the way of the universe. We aren't as important as you try to make us out.
StarValleyWy:
"I hate that as much as Ivan The Terrible speaking for "God" all the time."
That's a misconception on your part, SVW. I'm only speaking for myself. No need to get upset.
SVW, what would RHP be without you ? 😵 🙄 😵
Originally posted by steerpikeUm, are we not arguing on the same side here? My only point there was that if you waited for the Earth's human population to drop before you did anything about environmental destruction, you would be leaving it much too late. But yeah, it will kill Africans and that will be a disaster.
Would you consider the populations of sub-sahara Africa as robust? Or is the death of a few million of them through climate change not worth considering? Would it be racist to regard their lives as unimportant?
Of course I can not state with certainity that rising CO2 wiill create a drought in Ethopia. On the evidence, it appears more than probable. If ...[text shortened]... ot happen.
Will foreign aid increase to compensate any victims of your greed and stupidity?
Rich.