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Originally posted by FMF
No, don't go back and change a post that's already been replied to.

I would say "unconditional love" for a spouse would result in the non-criminal one either ignoring the crime or joining their spouse in crime.

If your love is only in place if your spouse remains the person that you 'knew him to be' that is to say the way you want him to be, then to call your love "unconditional love" is a misnomer.
Wow. I totally disagree on that. lol

No bait and switch in marriage. Sorry!

If I married you and you were a man of great character and integrity, and you turned out to be some sick pedophile...I'm out. My love would come to a serious abrupt ending. Call me cold if you wish. 😀

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Originally posted by Landisqueen170
If I married you and you were a man of great character and integrity, and you turned out to be some sick pedophile...I'm out. My love would come to a serious abrupt ending. Call me cold if you wish. 😀
I'm not calling you "cold". I am saying that love being conditional on one's partner not changing is not "unconditional love". I think a lot of people tell themselves they feel "unconditional love" and keep doing so up until they fall out of love because circumstances changed.

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I think this discussion has been civil, provocative and genuine. The only substance-free (attempted) nastiness has come from Suzianne. 😉

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Originally posted by FMF
Russia is an ally of the US in the War On Terror. Do you support Russian troops unconditionally, as long as they do not blatantly disregard the Russian military code?
Any Russian troop standing shoulder to shoulder with one of our fighting force, willing to fight to their last breath to take out ISIS, so that my kids have a safer future? Yes, my hat is off to them. Unconditionally.

I actually am friendly with many Russians. They are great people. Their government is a bit questionable, 🙄 , but the citizens I know are just like you and I.

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Originally posted by Landisqueen170
Any Russian troop standing shoulder to shoulder with one of our fighting force, willing to fight to their last breath to take out ISIS, so that my kids have a safer future? Yes, my hat is off to them. Unconditionally.
In the Crimea and eastern Ukraine too? Do you unconditionally support what their pilots are doing in Syria?

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Originally posted by FMF
I'm not calling you "cold". I am saying that love being conditional on one's partner not changing is not "unconditional love". I think a lot of people tell themselves they feel "unconditional love" and keep doing so up until they fall out of love because circumstances changed.
A partner can "change," we all do over time...
Circumstances can change...how can they stay the same? They can't.
Change is expected and even welcomed....

But if you married a person of solid character, who "represented" themselves to you in a favorable way that suited your needs and desires, and then (s)he did a 180 on you, that is loving someone under false pretenses. You've been deceived. This nullifies any love/loyalties you may have had for that person.

We don't agree on this. That's ok...you'll come around
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Originally posted by Landisqueen170
if you married a person of solid character, who "represented" themselves to you in a favorable way that suited your needs and desires, and then (s)he did a 180 on you, that is loving someone under false pretenses. You've been deceived. This nullifies any love/loyalties you may have had for that person.
Every single one of the married couples I've known who subsequently got divorced talked to me of their unconditional love at some point in their relationship - and not one of those marriages split because one of them "did a 180" or had got married under false pretenses" or turned out to be sick pedophile.

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Originally posted by FMF
In the Crimea and eastern Ukraine too? Do you unconditionally support what their pilots are doing in Syria?
You know what - you are getting off too easy here. Who said you get to be the eternal questioner?!

So...respond to my above post regarding Russian troops standing side by side with your country's troops fighting ISIS...you feel what? No gratitude towards them? A little? Tremendous?

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Originally posted by FMF
Every single one of the married couples I've known who subsequently got divorced talked to me of their unconditional love at some point in their relationship - and not one of those marriages split because one of them "did a 180" or had got married under false pretenses" or turned out to be sick pedophile.
They are just throwing the term around then. Doesn't seem like unconditional love to me if they split up for the "typical" reasons.

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Originally posted by Landisqueen170
So...respond to my above post regarding Russian troops standing side by side with your country's troops fighting ISIS...you feel what? No gratitude towards them? A little? Tremendous?
I live in Indonesia. I don't "support unconditionally" Russian troops.

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Originally posted by Landisqueen170
They are just throwing the term around then. Doesn't seem like unconditional love to me if they split up for the "typical" reasons.
And yet they professed "unconditional love" and it was no doubt real to them at the time it was professed. Certainly, I think your notion that "unconditional love" can be cancelled by someone changing sounds to me like "conditional love". The only "unconditional love" I can recognize is the one that endures come what may, and I think it is a largely mythological and romantic notion. The couples I mentioned split because they grew apart and were no longer happy.

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Originally posted by FMF
I live in Indonesia. I don't "support unconditionally" Russian troops.
Well FMF, we find no real common ground I suppose. But I appreciate the discussion and how you changed your tune some 🙂

I am officially out of words and must 😴

Good night and God Bless 😉

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Originally posted by FMF
And yet they professed "unconditional love" and it was no doubt real to them at the time it was professed. Certainly, I think your notion that "unconditional love" can be cancelled by someone changing sounds to me like "conditional love". The only "unconditional love" I can recognize is the one that endures come what may, and I think it is a largely mythological ...[text shortened]... romantic notion. The couples I mentioned split because they grew apart and were no longer happy.
And yet I think it's possible to unconditionally love our children.

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Originally posted by radioactive69
And yet I think it's possible to unconditionally love our children.
Yes I've been thinking that as this discussion has been going on. I think the parent-child bond is - in most cases - much stronger [and perhaps literally unconditional or indestructible] than the bond between married people, especially when the children are still young and dependent on us.

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Originally posted by FMF
And yet they professed "unconditional love" and it was no doubt real to them at the time it was professed. Certainly, I think your notion that "unconditional love" can be cancelled by someone changing sounds to me like "conditional love". The only "unconditional love" I can recognize is the one that endures come what may, and I think it is a largely mythological ...[text shortened]... romantic notion. The couples I mentioned split because they grew apart and were no longer happy.
Not what I said 🙂

I did not say, "unconditional love can be cancelled by someone changing."

What I said was... if someone enters into a marriage, and has been deceived, all bets are off.

If a soldier presented himself as a dedicated warrior on behalf of our nation, and he secretly was an ISIS sympathizer, I would withdraw my unconditional support of him because it was given based on a lie that was presented to me.

Change and deceit are not in any way similar.

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