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Originally posted by FMF
And extraordinarily fatuous and frothy on a deadly serious topic. 😉

It's 11:36 a.m. in Indonesia. You are getting ready for lunch, I am getting ready for bed 😛

Originally posted by Landisqueen170
I unconditionally support troops from our country and those of our Allies. I do not get to decide who our Allies are and why. I am not privy to such information. I must trust that my government has our citizens' best interests in mind as they strategize.

So you are urging us to trust - unconditionally - the likes of Saudi Arabia and Israel, right?

Originally posted by FMF
On the contrary, I think I have zeroed in on the very heart of her point.

Of course you do.

Originally posted by Suzianne
I think ypu should stop your trademark "third-degree" grilling of her and save it for someone that deserves it. Lord knows there's enough of them here.

I support your right to post whatever you want and to engage me in discussion at any time.

Originally posted by FMF
Here it is, no longer buried:

Originally posted by Landisqueen170
[b]Thanks you for recognizing FaithJ. I hope he returns here at some point to say hello....second thought...maybe not?

You mentioned his family and you are so right to remember them. Military families often endure painful separations, frequent relocations, and chronic stress. Only . ...[text shortened]... l be calling upon you once again to sacrifice. We give you our humble and sincere gratitude.[/b]

Honestly FMF...What do you not like about my post? The word "unconditionally?" That's what's bugging you?

Are you married? Do you unconditionally love your spouse?

Originally posted by FMF
Calling me an ass over and over again does not address the issue of "unconditional support".

Even you don't care about "unconditional support". You're just trying to be a jerk to her and hide her good intentions behind a wall of crap.

Originally posted by Landisqueen170
But at the end of the day, the troops willing to go off, possibly lay down their lives, risk being captured, tortured, etc..by this group of unleashed madmen...they have my gratitude and support.

If, say, the Israelis conduct military operations that kill innocent civilians in Gaza but do so on the premise that it's all to do with taking the fight to "unleashed madmen", they have your unconditional support?

Originally posted by Suzianne
Even you don't care about "unconditional support". You're just trying to be a jerk to her and hide her good intentions behind a wall of crap.

I don't think giving "unconditional support" to the future actions of the military forces of my own country is acceptable, let alone to numerous foreign countries. So I do "care" to that extent.

Originally posted by FMF
So you are urging us to trust - unconditionally - the likes of Saudi Arabia and Israel, right?

You have simplified this down to such a level...

Troops willing to DIE for my children and I...so that we may enjoy our continued freedoms? I give them my unconditional gratitude.

If you don't, then I don't understand you anymore than you understand me.

Originally posted by Landisqueen170
Are you married? Do you unconditionally love your spouse?

Your support for, say, the Saudi military is analogous to your own marriage? Surely not.

Originally posted by Landisqueen170
Troops willing to DIE for my children and I...so that we may enjoy our continued freedoms? I give them my unconditional gratitude.

I haven't mentioned your "unconditional gratitude". I have been tackling you on your urging everyone to "support unconditionally" the military forces of US allies.

Originally posted by FMF
Your support for, say, the Saudi military is analogous to your own marriage? Surely not.

Every country has its strongest allies, followed by it's fair-weathered, self-serving " friends." We all know that. It is the way of the world.

We are not going to agree on this...and I am certainly not going country by country with you. lol

In our current situation, it is black & white for me. Troops fighting against ISIS will face an unbelievably ruthless enemy. If they are willing to step up and confront them, so that my children and other's kids can live free, I should, at the very least, extend my full gratitude and support. If you do not wish to do so...go ahead...criticize them, mistrust them, resent them, accuse them...your choosing.

Originally posted by Landisqueen170
Honestly FMF...What do you not like about my post? The word "unconditionally?" That's what's bugging you?

Do you "support unconditionally" actions and policies that may exacerbate or prolong the problem of terrorism?

Originally posted by FMF
I haven't mentioned your "unconditional gratitude". I have been tackling you on your urging everyone to "support unconditionally" the military forces of US allies.

There is a certain amount of common sense assumed in the word "unconditional." I assume that my present government will not demand that our troops gather up the children of ISIS and fling them into the ocean. And if they were to ask that of our troops, I would hope that there would be a mutiny.

That is not to say some atrocities do not occur on either side during war. While I do not condone them, I understand that war breeds horrors on both sides. Atrocities cannot stand. Consequences are needed when lines are crossed. In the "fog of war" as they say, those lines are not always as clearly defined and seen as we civilians would like.

Originally posted by Landisqueen170
There is a certain amount of common sense assumed in the word "unconditional." I assume that my present government will not demand that our troops gather up the children of ISIS and fling them into the ocean. And if they were to ask that of our troops, I would hope that there would be a mutiny.

So your support is conditional and not unconditional? I think we may have found some common ground.