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10 Dec 04
11 Dec 04
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Originally posted by beermaestroSo, if we should cross paths with him in a tournament, say: The Tolkien Clan sponsored tournie where the prize is a quality DVD, we should resign our games with him, and let him stroll to victory and pocket a DVD which he has no right too, and the Tolkien Clan have kindly paid for out of their own pockets? If you had paid for the DVD (or any prize in any competition) and a petulant pup cheated in front of your nose to win it, would you not be in the least bit peeved?
Yeah he's probably cheating, but so what? If you cross paths with him, ignore him, resign, and move on.
[EDIT] He's already through to the second round in the aforementioned tournament.
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11 Dec 04
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Originally posted by RagnorakWho says a tournament organizer even HAS to allow him in the first place, especially with the strong suspicion of cheating.
[b]So, if we should cross paths with him in a tournament, say: The Tolkien Clan sponsored tournie where the prize is a quality DVD, we should resign our games with him, and let him stroll to victory and pocket a DVD which he has no right too, ...[text shortened]... topic. If I had a clan, I wouldn't go near him or any of the clans.
Same goes for clan and league play. Most clans can and should avoid him, and any clan he's associated with, like the Plague. Pretty soon, they'll get the picture and give him the boot. What will he do then?
11 Dec 04
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Originally posted by beermaestroIt's pretty obvious you haven't been following along these many weeks. Do us all a favour and go check out the thread in the Tournament forum and then get back to us... These things have all been discussed in excruciating detail.
Who says a tournament organizer even HAS to allow him in the first place, especially with the strong suspicion of cheating.
Same goes for clan and league play. Most clans can and should avoid him, and any clan he's associated w ...[text shortened]... ll get the picture and give him the boot. What will he do then?
*EDIT* - Not that you don't raise a good point at first glance, however several other clan leaders don't tend to see it that way. Plus James is a clan leader himself.
11 Dec 04
Originally posted by darvlayYou're right, I dont' post or look here very often. I just looked through 20 pages of "James Woodley" in the tournament forum, and there wasn't anything except a bunch of bickering and notation from james' miraculous gameplay. I also check out a few of his games myself.
It's pretty obvious you haven't been following along these many weeks. Do us all a favour and go check out the thread in the Tournament forum and then get back to us... These things have all been discussed in excruciating detail.
*EDIT* - Not that you don't raise a good point at first glance, however several other clan leaders don't tend to see it that way. Plus James is a clan leader himself.
He's 99.9% likely a cheat, and a cheat should be treated like someone with Ebola. Avoid him. Avoid his clans and any associated clans he's with. Anybody organizing tournaments has full discretion to disallow him, just as clan leaders can avoid any of his associated clans. It's not the perfect solution, but it's the best one until something definite is done. beer
11 Dec 04
Originally posted by beermaestroRuss is the tournament organiser on this site. If JW is a normal user on this site, then he can enter any tournament hosted on this site.
Who says a tournament organizer even HAS to allow him in the first place, especially with the strong suspicion of cheating.
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11 Dec 04
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Originally posted by RagnorakSomething similar has already happened,I guess a year and a half ago.
So, if we should cross paths with him in a tournament, say: The Tolkien Clan sponsored tournie where the prize is a quality DVD, we should resign our games with him, and let him stroll to victory and pocket a DVD which he has no right too, ...[text shortened]... through to the second round in the aforementioned tournament.
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There was a tourny for non subscribers and the prize was a subscription:the guy,zach918,created a lot of accounts to have more chances to progress in rounds and win.
He was discovered and he made a public apology,then I guess he was disqualified from the tournament.
If I'm lucky enough to find quickly the thread (I saw it not many time ago) I'll post the link.
Edit:I found the link pretty quickly
http://www.redhotpawn.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=7369
11 Dec 04
if he's found cheating so be it. I'll look at all his active games. Being a left-hander, I'm sure to pick up something. I wonder how much his openings has changed, if he's picked up a move here and there from learning from poor variations, etc. we'll see.
but if he IS cheating, then 'another one bites the dust'. Hang 'em. Hang 'em high! 😛
12 Dec 04
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Originally posted by darvlayso he's guilty. but he's still playing here why? i'm sure russ has his reasons...and i'm sorry-but i quite frankly couldn't give a monkeys uncle about jw and his cheating. but what i do care about is the fact that these forums seem to be obsessed by an extremly irritating witch hunt. we can't do anything-sure, you can pm russ and chrismo as much as you like, but leave the blasted forums outta it cause it does diddly squat for the site!
I was one of the first ones to accuse JamesWoodley of cheating. Originally, every post I made and every thread I started got deleted by mods. At least a dozen posts and at least two threads. Then all of a sudden - nothing. Now the word ...[text shortened]... son, Genius. These accusations are not just accusations anymore.
EDIT: this post was made exactly one day after the one above...to the minute!
13 Dec 04
Originally posted by geniusI second that.....
so he's guilty. but he's still playing here why? i'm sure russ has his reasons...and i'm sorry-but i quite frankly couldn't give a monkeys uncle about jw and his cheating. but what i do care about is the fact that these forums seem to be obsessed by an extremly irritating witch hunt. we can't do anything-sure, you can pm russ and chrismo as much as you ...[text shortened]... t for the site!
EDIT: this post was made exactly one day after the one above...to the minute!
The sooner thread like this are colmpletely removed the better. I quote the Terms of Service:
"You agree to not use the Service to:
Post, email or otherwise make available any Content that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, tortious, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, libelous, invasive of another's privacy, hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable; "
I certainly think this thread and the other related threads break Tos with regarsds to abusive and harassing messages.
-trekkie
13 Dec 04
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Originally posted by darvlaythe removals of alegations stopped for several reasons, but not because there a has been a change in stance on public accusation or agreement that any particular person has broken the rules. To assume that because a post remains is evidence that site admin agrees with its content is wrong.
I was one of the first ones to accuse JamesWoodley of cheating. Originally, every post I made and every thread I started got deleted by mods. At least a dozen posts and at least two threads. Then all of a sudden - nothing. Now the word ...[text shortened]... son, Genius. These accusations are not just accusations anymore.
13 Dec 04
Originally posted by belgianfreakThis is rather odd timing for this post, BF, seeing how Russ just a couple of hours ago removed JamesMaster10000 from the 2005 Championship Tournament. And I wish if you have something to say you'd just say it and stop sounding like the Delphic Oracle.
the removals of alegations stopped for several reasons, but not because there a has been a change in our stance on public accusation or agreement that any particular person has broken the rules. To assume that the posts remain is proof that site admin agrees with their content is wrong.
13 Dec 04
Originally posted by no1marauderhey, I know nothing about what Russ is thinking other than that he is working hard on getting a functional and official system in place to spot and deal with engine use. I didn't know he'd removed JamesMaster10000 from a tourney and I don't know his reason why. Do you?
This is rather odd timing for this post, BF, seeing how Russ just a couple of hours ago removed JamesMaster10000 from the 2005 Championship Tournament. And I wish if you have something to say you'd just say it and stop sounding like the Delphic Oracle.
What I do know a little about is why forum mods have let accusations slide for the time being.
to rephrase what I said earlier, if it was too complicated for you: it's false to assume that just because the mods stop modding certain posts that the site admin (Russ) have changed policies or opinions towards it.