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Haven't seen it.

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@relentless-red said

I simply expressed a view about a movie and then a genre of movies that was consistent with my views and values that are held due to personal experience
Are there movies out there you think better reflect the reality of mental health?

I always found One flew over the cuckoo's nest a powerful film. (Though rather dark).

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@ghost-of-a-duke said
Are there movies out there you think better reflect the reality of mental health?

I always found One flew over the cuckoo's nest a powerful film. (Though rather dark).
Loved One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest. Excellent movie.

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@divegeester
I'm prepared to believe that you really don't understand what I am on about so I will walk you through it (but just once).

People who suffer psychosis are often reluctant to name their diagnosis because of the stigma.

A significant part of the stigma is that people confuse psychosis with risk of violence. In fact psychosis does not have the association with violence and homicide that other diagnoses do. Just as well since the prevalence is about 1%.

Films often misuse the term in a way that perpetuates the myth and the stigma. "He's psychotic" is sometimes even used as a euphemism for he's dangerous. I do not like films that do that just to excite an audience and make the movie more appealing.

I do like well written movies like One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest that aim to explore difficult themes relating to mental health as opposed to simply misusing mental health terminology to excite an audience.

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@relentless-red said
I particularly didn't like Joker because I saw somebody with a mental illness distressed by it's depiction of a psychiatric ward so perhaps that is personal.
What did that "somebody with a mental illness", you mentioned, have to say to you about Nurse Ratched's psychiatric ward, about Billy committing suicide by slitting his throat with some broken glass, and McMurphy trying to strangle Nurse Ratched to death with his bare hands before getting lobotomized?

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@relentless-red said
I do like well written movies like One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest that aim to explore difficult themes relating to mental health as opposed to simply misusing mental health terminology to excite an audience.
If you were writing a batman spin-off about The Joker where he was clearly mentally ill and behaved the way he did in the movie, if not "psychosis", how would you explain his violence and criminality?

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@fmf said
What did that "somebody with a mental illness", you mentioned, have to say to you about Nurse Ratched's psychiatric ward, about Billy committing suicide by slitting his throat with some broken glass, and McMurphy trying to strangle Nurse Ratched to death with his bare hands before getting lobotomized?
I did not think those scenes were created simply to excite an audience. I thought they were a valid attempt to represent the thoughts and feelings evoked by the old asylums. I thought the violence was used to characterise the strength of feeling created by mistreatment, abuse and incarceration. A metaphor as might be found in a work of art. The message was not simply that being psychotic makes you this excitingly weird and violent criminal character. It's just a point of view.

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