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12 Apr 10
14 Apr 10
Originally posted by AThousandYoungNo, seriously, buddy... I am all for you, Americans, joyfully
What's that, Mr. Israel defending, Mexican corruption hating, Finn?
claiming your ancestry. You're a country of immigrants, after
all.
However, in order to claim and chest bump the ancestry, me
thinks you guys should honor it. I have a friend who said once
"I am Irish" and I asked where was his dad from, to which he
replied "Chicago". O.k., so I asked him where his grandpa came
from. Same answer. Man, the guy knew nothing else than
"we're Irish" said again and again in his family but nobody
knew actually where from nor they cared crap about it.
Take my advice: learn Spanish, learn Gaelic, study the cultures,
keep the traditions and dates... then you'll be a proud
"Gael-Meicsiceach American" 🙂
14 Apr 10
The post that was quoted here has been removedAs I stated...
"Fear and loathing of people different to one's own group is endemic in pretty much every culture. "
People can refer to racism within any country they wish. What I rail against, is people accusing the typical Irish as being racist, and people providing anecdotes in support of this position "people (in Ireland) can't see beyond it (nationality of the Chinese girls), note the lack of quantifier on "people", ie: "some".
I have no interest in providing answers to anybody who is so intellectually dishonest that he attributes statements to me, purely so he can experience the pleasure of attacking that position. Now, please dissect
I've seen plenty of racism in England when I lived there a few short years ago, and even at the FA Cup semi final last Sunday, there were Chelski fans making heil hitler style arm movements to the camera.to show how you were justified in attributing "well the English are much more racist" to me.
Until you can clearly show that my intention was "well the English are much more racist" as opposed to "Fear and loathing of people different to one's own group is endemic in pretty much every culture. ", then you will be nothing more than intellectually dishonest, and unworthy of extensive debate, beyond highlighting the bigotry inherent in your original post which supported the original hypocritical bigot, who, BTW, wrote of his social prejudice which almost manifested itself as violence, which you didn't pick up on. Is it because violence against lower classes is Ok for you? Or is it because the victims of the potential violence were Irish, that you didn't speak out against it while writing in support of the "typical Irish racist prick" statement?
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14 Apr 10
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Originally posted by SeitseWe're either O'Manacháins or Mac Giolla-Dés from Sligo on the northwest coast I think, though the name was Anglicized at some point. I'm fifth generation American on the Gael/Celt/Irish/whatever side. My great-great-great grandfather came to eastern Canada and then New York in 1858 during the potato famine. By the time my grandfather was born in 1918 the family had moved to California; first SF, then LA.
No, seriously, buddy... I am all for you, Americans, joyfully
claiming your ancestry. You're a country of immigrants, after
all.
However, in order to claim and chest bump the ancestry, me
thinks you guys should honor it. I have a friend who said once
"I am Irish" and I asked where was his dad from, to which he
replied "Chicago". O.k., so I asked him p the traditions and dates... then you'll be a proud
"Gael-Meicsiceach American" 🙂
15 Apr 10
Originally posted by AThousandYounghttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_diaspora
We're either O'Manacháins or Mac Giolla-Dés from Sligo on the northwest coast I think, though the name was Anglicized at some point. I'm fifth generation American on the Gael/Celt/Irish/whatever side. My great-great-great grandfather came to eastern Canada and then New York in 1858 during the potato famine. By the time my grandfather was born in 1918 the family had moved to California; first SF, then LA.
Irish diaspora
The Irish diaspora (Irish: Diaspóra na nGael) consists of Irish emigrants and their descendants in countries such as the United Kingdom, the United States, Canada, Australia, Argentina, New Zealand, Mexico, South Africa, Brazil and states of the Caribbean and continental Europe. The diaspora, maximally interpreted, contains over 80 million people, which is over thirteen times the population of Ireland itself, which has just over 6 million in 2009.
After 1840, emigration had become a massive, relentless, and efficiently managed national enterprise.[1] Counting those who went to Britain, between 9 and 10 million Irish men, women, and children emigrated after 1700. The total flow was more than the population at its historical peak in the 1830s of 8.5 million. From 1830 to 1914, almost 5 million went to the United States alone. In 1890 two of every five Irish-born people were living abroad. Today, an estimated 80 million people worldwide claim some Irish descent; among them are 45 million Americans who claim "Irish" as their primary ethnicity.[2]
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The classic image of an Irish immigrant is led to a certain extent by racist and anti-Catholic stereotypes. In modern times, in the United States, the Irish are largely perceived as hard workers. Most notably they are associated with the positions of police officer, firefighter, Roman Catholic Church leaders and politicians in the larger Eastern-Seaboard metropolitan areas. Irish Americans number over 44 million, making them the second largest ethnic group in the country, after German Americans. Historically, large Irish American communities have been found in Chicago; Boston; New York City; New England; Baltimore; Philadelphia; Pittsburgh; St. Paul, Minnesota; Cleveland; and the San Francisco Bay Area. Many cities across the country have annual St Patrick's Day parades, the nation's largest in New York City - one of the world's largest parades. The parade in Boston is closely associated with Evacuation Day, when George Washington and his troops forced the British out of Boston during the Revolutionary War. At state level, Texas has the largest number of Irish Americans[citation needed]. In percentage terms, Boston is the most Irish city[citation needed] in the United States and Massachusetts the most Irish state[citation needed].
Before the Great Hunger ("Irish Potato Famine"😉 in which over a million died and more emigrated[citation needed], there had been the Penal Laws which had already resulted in significant emigration from Ireland[citation needed].
According to the Harvard Encyclopedia of American Ethnic Groups, in 1790 there were 400,000 Americans of Irish birth or ancestry out of a total white population of 3,100,000. Half of these were descended from Ulster people, and half were descended from the people of Connaught, Leister and Munster.
According to U.S. Census figures from 2000, 41,000,000 Americans claim to be wholly or partly of Irish ancestry, a group that represents more than one in five white Americans.