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13 Apr 10
Originally posted by AThousandYoungThe Gaels originated from Ireland, the Celts originated from Central Europe. Apparently although there are many Celtic artifacts in Ireland, there is Little evidence of large scale Celtic settlement.
That is an extremely unusual position to take at best!
My family was originally from Sligo on the Gael coast. Who were the Gaels if not Celts? Our family name was probably Managhan, but it was Anglicized at some point.
13 Apr 10
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Originally posted by RagnorakIf i throw you a bone will it make you happy?
Apologies, I shouldn't mock.
Huck, here's a list of mostly Celtic artifacts found in Ireland, spanning a number of centuries.
http://www.historicimpressions.com/Irish.htm
You may also have heard of other famous Celtic artifacts like the Book of Kells.
Reading this page may also help prevent you making a fool of yourself in the future.
http://en.w simply taking advantage of your obvious gullibility in having a laugh at your expense.
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Here is the reply you have been craving... How is the ol Celtic tiger treating you then?
13 Apr 10
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Originally posted by RagnorakSorry, I don't want to seem dense but I'm quite ignorant about this and was surprised at how little evidence of the presence of Celts in Ireland is described on that wikipedia page.
Apologies, I shouldn't mock.
Huck, here's a list of mostly Celtic artifacts found in Ireland, spanning a number of centuries.
http://www.historicimpressions.com/Irish.htm
You may also have heard of other famous Celtic artifacts like the Book of Kells.
Reading this page may also help prevent you making a fool of yourself in the future.
http://en.w simply taking advantage of your obvious gullibility in having a laugh at your expense.
D
For example, they claim this Sykes says that:
He considers that the genetic structure of Britain and Ireland is "Celtic, if by that we mean descent from people who were here before the Romans and who spoke a Celtic language." But this language was the result of diffusion rather than migration, and the vast majority of the inhabitants of the British Isles, whether they consider themselves to be "Anglo Saxon", "Celt" or otherwise, are descended from the original Mesolithic hunter-gatherers who migrated north from Iberia approximately 13,000 years ago at the end of the last ice age.
The part on archaeological evidence also doesn't say anything about Ireland. 😕
13 Apr 10
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Originally posted by AThousandYoungYes, which identify dominent characteristics in our genes from particular regions. Using this, subjective groups are formed. It still doesn't mean anything on a biological viewpoint.
Through genetic cluster analysis.
It is still social/political. For example, people predominantly in Africa would evolve to produce more melanin to make their skin darker. Combined with other environmental factors they will evolve certain characteristics. Couple that with being in a large area we call "Africa" and we would say they are of African descent. Even though generations back they could have mixed with many other people from other regions, but their "African" characteristics will still be perceived to dominate.
There isn't any "pure" race.
"Indigenous Americans" migrated across from Asia, Russia and Alaska. At what point did their race become "Indigenous American"?
I am not saying it is wrong to recognise variation in genetics as it does help scientists to identify how we all evolved and what environmental factors caused us to change, but biologically, race doesn't mean anything, because there is far too much variation.
13 Apr 10
Originally posted by Palynkahttp://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlkik/ihm/neolithic.htm
Sorry, I don't want to seem dense but I'm quite ignorant about this and was surprised at how little evidence of the presence of Celts in Ireland is described on that wikipedia page.
For example, they claim this Sykes says that:
He considers that the genetic structure of Britain and Ireland is "Celtic, if by that we mean descent from people who were he ...[text shortened]...
The part on archaeological evidence also doesn't say anything about Ireland. 😕
Keywords: Halstatt and La Tene.
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13 Apr 10
Originally posted by huckleberryhoundAn apology for drunkenly insinuating that all Irish are racists would be the proper thing to do, but I'm not going to hold my breath.
If i throw you a bone will it make you happy?
Here is the reply you have been craving... How is the ol Celtic tiger treating you then?
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13 Apr 10
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Originally posted by RagnorakHad just found that.
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlkik/ihm/neolithic.htm
Keywords: Halstatt and La Tene.
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The Late Bronze Age begins around 1200 BC, and brings to Ireland "a whole new range of bronze implements and weapons, such as socketed axe-heads and swords." This is an age strongly identified with the appearance of the first "hill forts" and "ring forts", a mark of Hallstatt Celtic culture, which appear only to date back to the seventh century BC in central Europe. A common type of dwelling in use at this time is said to be crannóg, an artificial island, palisaded on all sides, constructed in the middle of a lake.
That's very interesting, but it's a bit strange that it actually predates Hallstatt Celtic culture. Is there any theory that starts with a Celtic migration to Central Europe and only then forming the Hallstatt culture?
I think the linguistic/cultural assimilation story seems implausible. An island to be culturally and linguistically assimilated without migration or invasion in such an era seems far-fetched. Still, I guess I expected more.
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The post that was quoted here has been removedhhmm really? a huge difference? not even considering the fact that you could have surgery to change the color of your skin and possibly fake an accent to hide your nationality is it really a "huge" difference making fun of someone because of their race/nationality over say their weight or an abnormal body feature?
14 Apr 10
Originally posted by PalynkaMy understanding was that the Celts came to Britain to watch over the walls for the Romans, hence the Large celtic ties to roman occupied areas (the celts or Gaels being Gauls from France). As there was no roman occupation of Ireland, Celtic settlement would be slightly out of place with historical timelines. I stand to be corrected.
Had just found that.
[i]The Late Bronze Age begins around 1200 BC, and brings to Ireland "a whole new range of bronze implements and weapons, such as socketed axe-heads and swords." This is an age strongly identified with the appearance of the first "hill forts" and "ring forts", a mark of Hallstatt Celtic culture, which appear only to date back to the s ...[text shortened]... migration or invasion in such an era seems far-fetched. Still, I guess I expected more.