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12 Apr 10
15 Apr 10
Originally posted by AThousandYoungis Socially Just education some kind of standard theory?
They cram this stuff down my throat constantly in my studies of Socially Just education.
Then again, this IS a thread about Irish racists. It's kind of appropriate no?
De-emphasizing ethnicity in favor of the dominant culture leads directly to students failing in school because they have different foundations to build on than the "standard" student does.
what happens to multiracial kids?
15 Apr 10
Originally posted by zeeblebothttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_justice
is Socially Just education some kind of standard theory?
what happens to multiracial kids?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_social_teaching
Multi-ethnic students have a combination of all ethnicities. Race is not important in education except as it corresponds to ethnicity.
15 Apr 10
Originally posted by AThousandYoungNot addressing it doesn't make it go away.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_justice
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_social_teaching
Multi-ethnic students have a combination of all ethnicities. Race is not important in education except as it corresponds to ethnicity.
What about black students raised as whites?
15 Apr 10
Originally posted by AThousandYoungthat's odd. the last sentence copied below would seem to contradict the introductory block, viz:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_justice
isn't taxation a significant denial of freedom? a la Tax Freedom Day? all those months i was earning taxes to be cast out over non-wage-earners i could have been at home playing with the kids or playing on RHP.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_justice
Social justice is the application of the concept of justice on a social scale. The term appeared before the 1800s,[1] including in the Federalist Papers and Edward Gibbon's The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire‎. The idea was elaborated by the moral theologian John A. Ryan, who initiated the concept of a living wage. Father Coughlin also used the term in his publications in the 1930s and the 1940s. The concept was further expanded upon by John Rawls beginning in the 1960s. It is a part of Catholic social teaching and is one of the Four Pillars of the Green Party upheld by green parties worldwide. Some tenets of social justice have been adopted by those on the left of the political spectrum.
Social justice is also a concept that some use to describe the movement towards a socially just world. In this context, social justice is based on the concepts of human rights and equality and involves a greater degree of economic egalitarianism through progressive taxation, income redistribution, or even property redistribution. These policies aim to achieve what developmental economists refer to as more equality of opportunity and equality of outcome than may currently exist in some societies.
Theories of social justice
Rawls
The liberal political philosopher John Rawls draws on the utilitarian insights of Bentham and Mill, the social contract ideas of John Locke, and the categorical imperative ideas of Kant. His first statement of principle was made in A Theory of Justice (1971) where he proposed that, "Each person possesses an inviolability founded on justice that even the welfare of society as a whole cannot override. For this reason justice denies that the loss of freedom for some is made right by a greater good shared by others." (at p3).
15 Apr 10
Originally posted by zeeblebotIt's not about addressing it. Race can be addressed. It just has no implications for education.
Not addressing it doesn't make it go away.
What about black students raised as whites?
Black students "raised as whites" would tend to excel at traditional tests aimed at a dominant "white" culture.
15 Apr 10
Originally posted by AThousandYounghttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achievement_gap
It's not about addressing it. Race can be addressed. It just has no implications for education.
Black students "raised as whites" would tend to excel at traditional tests aimed at a dominant "white" culture.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Achievement_gap_in_the_United_States#Standards_Based_Reform
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland_Ebonics_controversy
15 Apr 10
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Originally posted by zeeblebotThat's all about ethnicity. Notice the first Wiki article uses the term "race/ethnicity" showing that the two are not necessarily differentiated in their analysis. Ebonics is part of the black American ethnicity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achievement_gap
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Achievement_gap_in_the_United_States#Standards_Based_Reform
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland_Ebonics_controversy
"White American" and "Black American" are ethnicities that correlate with race to some degree but are not the same.
In a side-by-side comparison of 2000 census data by sociologist John R. Logan at the Mumford Center, State University of New York at Albany, black immigrants from Africa average the highest educational attainment of any population group in the country, including whites and Asians...
As one immigrant Jamaican friend once told me, "I'm too busy working two jobs to worry about the white man's racism."
http://ethiomedia.com/articles/black_immigrants
15 Apr 10
Originally posted by AThousandYounghow far would a white guy get trying to claim black ethnicity for college admissions?
That's all about ethnicity. Notice the first Wiki article uses the term "race/ethnicity" showing that the two are not necessarily differentiated in their analysis. Ebonics is part of the black American ethnicity.
"White American" and "Black American" are ethnicities that correlate with race to some degree but are not the same.
In a side-by-s ...[text shortened]... about the white man's racism."
http://ethiomedia.com/articles/black_immigrants
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jerk
The film begins with Navin R. Johnson (Martin), a homeless bum, directly addressing the camera and telling his story. He is the adopted white son of African American sharecroppers, who grows to adulthood naïvely unaware of his obvious adoption.
15 Apr 10
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Originally posted by zeeblebot
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legacy_student#Legacy_preferences_in_comparison_to_other_programmes
Legacy preferences in comparison to other programmes
At some schools, legacy preferences have an effect on admissions comparable to other factors such as being a recruited athlete or affirmative action. One study of three selective private research universities in the United States showed the following effects (admissions disadvantage and advantage in terms of SAT points on the old 1600-point scale):
Blacks: +230
Hispanics: +185
Asians: –50
Recruited athletes: +200
Legacies (children of alumni): +160
16 Apr 10
Originally posted by zeeblebotPerhaps "white" wasn't the best choice of words. Their ethnicity is mainstream American (or English or whatever), and many people do put that on those forms. However I cannot imagine that such a person would have no familiarity with Afro-American culture. He'd probably have both ethnicities, as Obama does.
their ethnicity is white! doesn't the educational establishment screen for that?
What do you mean by "screen"?
16 Apr 10
Originally posted by zeeblebotIf he was ethnically black, he'd do just fine. For example, this guy:
how far would a white guy get trying to claim black ethnicity for college admissions?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jerk
The film begins with Navin R. Johnson (Martin), a homeless bum, directly addressing the camera and telling his story. He is the adopted white son of African American sharecroppers, who grows to adulthood naïvely unaware of his obvious adoption.
http://www.exampleessays.com/viewpaper/66921.html