03 Sep 05
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Originally posted by ivangriceThe Game Mods have announced themselves as a presence to those that up until now may not have even realised they existed by banning some very obvious cheats. (that's right, I never questioned whether IM31 was guilty of cheating, I merely speculated on his true identity and how sad it would be if a FIDE ref. acted this way). Now that the Game Mods have acted, I hope that this debate won't die down after the shock until the next banning takes place.
I'm not a member of anyone's 'cohort'. The point of my post was that you really need to get a sense of perspective on this. From my reading of the posts on this topic, the majority of people are pleased that real action has been taken against engine use on this site.
Here is your full post:
"It's bordering on the bizarre because we still don htmarish fancy rather than any judgment on you (you have to admit it was a *little* amusing...).
There is a chance now to make the Game Mod team and its presence officially known to every new user who joins this site in the future. I don't think a link off of the very low-key site map page is enough to ensure that though, a prominent feature page needs to appear and I’m confident from what Gatecrasher has said, that this will happen.
On the issue of No1marauder, I don't discredit his steadfast efforts to analyse games and produce evidence of cheating, I've always taken my hat off to him for having the time and chutzpah to do that. However, why isn't he a Game Mod? Surely he now needs to be officially co-opted into the Game Mod team where he will have to act accordingly within the rules that govern them and that means that evidence cannot be made open to the public, albeit by invitation to review it elsewhere. I did ask for some "layman's terms" evidence alongside the list of banned names but was told catergorically that it won't happen and I have to accept that as the rules of the site.
I think the fact alone that the Game Mods are members of the CC clan undermines their insistence that any evidence needs to be sent directly to them, at the moment it would appear that the quickest way for them to see it is to post it at the CC forum and this is all I object to. I understand No1's reasons for creating it in the first place to use it as a crow-bar for action, but now it's time to address this situation. If he wants to be a Game Mod then he'll have to abide by the rules but if he wants to be a whistle-blower forever then I shall continue to alert his posts inviting people to view his evidence.
03 Sep 05
Originally posted by ivangriceMaybe not, but when you see who is in his clan and then read the posts on this thread from those clan members ... and how many of the hundreds of posts are from that clan ...
You appear to see the hand of No1 in everything that is written in this thread - this is not the case.
03 Sep 05
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Originally posted by ExyAt last count, only one Game Mod is a member of the CC clan. No1's forum is there because he held the mistaken belief that nothing was being done to curb cheating at RHP.
I think the fact alone that the Game Mods are members of the CC clan undermines their insistence that any evidence needs to be sent directly to them, at the moment it would appear that the quickest way for them to see it is to post it at the CC forum and this is all I object to. I understand No1's reasons for creating it in the first place to use it as a cro ...[text shortened]... le-blower forever then I shall continue to alert his posts inviting people to view his evidence.
I was invited to join the CC briefly with the sole purpose of obtaining the information, since it was a far more efficient method than being PM'ed so many analyses.
From now on, however, if No1 or anyone else has a fresh complaint or evidence of cheating, they should simply send it to a Game Mod or the Site Admin. If the complaint has substance, it will be thoroughly investigated.
03 Sep 05
Originally posted by GatecrasherThank you for clarifying that point, Gatecrasher. My blood feels considerably cooler already. 😀
At last count, only one Game Mod is a member of the CC clan. No1's forum is there because he held the mistaken belief that nothing was being done to curb cheating at RHP.
I was invited to join the CC briefly with the sole purpose of obtaining the information, since it was a far more efficient method than being PM'ed so many analyses.
From now ...[text shortened]... Game Mod or the Site Admin. If the complaint has substance, it will be thoroughly investigated.
03 Sep 05
Originally posted by treetalkI don't know - perhaps you should do the analysis to support your point? And whilst you're at it, count up the supportive posts by those who are not in the CC. I would be genuinely interested in the results.
Maybe not, but when you see who is in his clan and then read the posts on this thread from those clan members ... and how many of the hundreds of posts are from that clan ...
03 Sep 05
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Originally posted by ivangriceGo to the "I Don't Care but..." thread in the Clan Forum too, it's pretty obvious from there who's for and against No1. and his methods. The argument isn't cut and dried, I understand his frustrations and I was hoping to see a change in his approach once he saw that the Game Mods are acutally doing something, which is all he claimed to want.
I don't know - perhaps you should do the analysis to support your point? And whilst you're at it, count up the supportive posts by those who are not in the CC. I would be genuinely interested in the results.
03 Sep 05
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Originally posted by Gatecrasher[i]Gatecrasher: "From now on, however, if No1 or anyone else has a fresh complaint or evidence of cheating, they should simply send it to a Game Mod or the Site Admin. If the complaint has substance, it will be thoroughly investigated."[i]
At last count, only one Game Mod is a member of the CC clan. No1's forum is there because he held the mistaken belief that nothing was being done to curb cheating at RHP.
I was invited to join the CC briefly with the sole purpose of obtaining the information, since it was a far more efficient method than being PM'ed so many analyses.
From now ...[text shortened]... Game Mod or the Site Admin. If the complaint has substance, it will be thoroughly investigated.
Does this mean no1 is not allowed anymore to post his evidence in the CC's private clan forum ?
03 Sep 05
Originally posted by leestaticthis is the otherGame 502661
just out of curiosity does anyone know the two people who beat ironman?
03 Sep 05
Originally posted by ExyMy answer to your constant attempts to have the Site Admins moderate my UNMODERATED private clan forum remains the same: GFY.
I cannot believe that you got any recs for pulling a post of mine from pages back in this thread completely altering the context and meaning - is No1 giving you lessons in dissembling? He must think I'm such a threat to his attempt to totally control the Game Mod debate at this site, because he and his cohorts try to discredit any post I make! 😕
My actual ...[text shortened]... e to go and look at this evidence I shall alert the posts and seek redress from the Site Admins.
03 Sep 05
Originally posted by GatecrasherThe irony of your first paragraph is immense, seeing how your presence on the Game Mods is directly attributable to a thread I started in July decrying the fact that there were only two Game Mods. And I suggest you review your PM's to me on August 25, particulary the one at 15:38 EST, as you are giving a false impression in your second paragraph.
At last count, only one Game Mod is a member of the CC clan. No1's forum is there because he held the mistaken belief that nothing was being done to curb cheating at RHP.
I was invited to join the CC briefly with the sole purpose of obtaining the information, since it was a far more efficient method than being PM'ed so many analyses.
From now ...[text shortened]... Game Mod or the Site Admin. If the complaint has substance, it will be thoroughly investigated.
I will continue to do whatever I please in my UNMODERATED clan forum, as every other clan is allowed to do.
03 Sep 05
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Originally posted by GatecrasherThere were some other people who were even more sure that the Game Mods weren't doing much. Look at this person's post from July 10th:
At last count, only one Game Mod is a member of the CC clan. No1's forum is there because he held the mistaken belief that nothing was being done to curb cheating at RHP.
I was invited to join the CC briefly with the sole purpose of obtaining the information, since it was a far more efficient method than being PM'ed so many analyses.
From now ...[text shortened]... Game Mod or the Site Admin. If the complaint has substance, it will be thoroughly investigated.
Ah, the good old Chess Mod debate. Alive and kicking? I would have put a lot of effort and resources into this back in Jan/Feb. I had 4 fast PCs, several engines, and some reasonable chess ability on offer ...
Not that I was expecting to be chosen, but the way Russ totally ignored the voting and then under-manned the mods when there were plenty of keen volunteers available demonstrates just how little he feels about engine abuse and the views of RHP members.
It was all a futile exercise in lip-service.
This debate has not been revived by Russ, but by unhappy members (no1, in particular). Its naive to think that it will lead anywhere.
Great if it does... But who is going to commit to the time and effort required while the topic of engine abuse has been so consistently and repeatedly swept under the carpet by RHP management? Not I. And nor should anyone until we see some real action, determination, and a reciprocal commitment from Russ. I'm not holding my breath, though...
http://www.timeforchess.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=25853&page=28
03 Sep 05
Originally posted by no1marauderreally no1marauder - if you ever give up being a 2bitlawyer then you should really consider being a Librarian or Information Manager. You'd be great.
There were some other people who were even more sure that the Game Mods weren't doing much. Look at this person's post from July 10th:
Ah, the good old Chess Mod debate. Alive and kicking? I would have put a lot of effort and resources into this back in Jan/Feb. I had 4 fast PCs, several engines, and some reasonable chess ability on offer ... ...[text shortened]... my breath, though...
http://www.timeforchess.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=25853&page=28