Tough decisions when you are a parent

@divegeester said
No, it’s a metaphor.

And in either case it isn’t true. Society doesn’t “raise” children, it might influence them but it’s the parents, grandparents and immediate wider family who raise them.

I'll tip the hat to Wiki:

"It takes a village to raise a child" is a proverb that means that an entire community of people must provide for and interact positively with children for those children to experience and grow in a safe and healthy environment.

@divegeester said
No, it’s a metaphor.

And in either case it isn’t true. Society doesn’t “raise” children, it might influence them but it’s the parents, grandparents and immediate wider family who raise them.

Dive, you seem an expert on this so why should I argue? 🙂

@torunn said
There used to be villages before there were towns and cities, hence the word 'village'. 'Raise' is a good word - people used to help each other to raise the children by keeping an eye of them and telling them off when they did something wrong. Not so common these days.

It might have been more accurate hundreds or even thousands of years ago to claim that village raises the child, where the village is a small tightly knit group of Stone Age or medieval people. But today’s “towns and cities” don’t raise children. It’s ostensibly not true.

@torunn said
Dive, you seem an expert on this so why should I argue? 🙂

No one is arguing or claiming to be an expert we are just discussing it. I disagree with the assertion that “it takes a village to raise a child” and I’ve given you my reasons.

@divegeester said
It might have been more accurate hundreds or even thousands of years ago to claim that village raises the child, where the village is a small tightly knit group of Stone Age or medieval people. But today’s “towns and cities” don’t raise children. It’s ostensibly not true.

Towns and cities don't raise children, that is true. It takes a smaller community to do that, e.g. a village.

@fmf said
I'd say 79% nurture and 21% nature with regard to many things, the list of which I will leave unspecified.

and I would say from experience that the opposite is true.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
I'll tip the hat to Wiki:

"It takes a village to raise a child" is a proverb that means that an entire community of people must provide for and interact positively with children for those children to experience and grow in a safe and healthy environment.

I know what it means and I agree with Wiki’s definition.

I’m saying that it isn’t correct, do you see the difference?

@torunn said
Towns and cities don't raise children, that is true. It takes a smaller community to do that, e.g. a village.

Towns and cities still have schools, youth clubs, law providers,...leprechauns.

@torunn said
Dive, you seem an expert on this so why should I argue? 🙂

seems being operative word

@torunn said
Towns and cities don't raise children, that is true. It takes a smaller community to do that, e.g. a village.

Yes, so it’s a modern metaphor (not a fact) for what might have occurred in the raising of children in small tightly knit communities from the Stone or medieval ages, but as you said on the previous page doesn’t happen now.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Towns and cities still have schools, youth clubs, law providers,...leprechauns.

Badgers

@divegeester said
I know what it means and I agree with Wiki’s definition.

I’m saying that it isn’t correct, do you see the difference?

What's the difference between influence and raise?

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Towns and cities still have schools, youth clubs, law providers,...leprechauns.

The smaller the schools, the more attention can be given to the childen. And youth clubs - much is needed to make kids feel comfortable and bullying is easier to prevent.

@yo-its-me said
What's the difference between influence and raise?

You’re a parent asking this?

@badradger said
and I would say from experience that the opposite is true.

If a pair of identical twins were separated at birth and grew up in profoundly different societies would their shared nature negate the separate nurture they experienced?