Slightly off topic, but I was many years ago in a school tournament, I was no where good enugh, was just filling a seat cos some one could not make it at the last moment. My oppenent completely outclassed me and got silly (as kids do). He tried to goad me in to quitting and when I declined he proceeded to create 6 queens and mess me about.
You know whats coming....the dumbass stalemated me and I got a point for the team 😀
not entirely relvent but funny as hell....
Originally posted by saffa73Oh my God....."many do resign in here when I say so"? So this is more than just a one-time occurance. This doofus customarily tells his opponenets when they should resign. I imagine he does this over the board at tournaments, too. Maybe I'm a bit vindictive, but Saffa I think you are now well within your right not only to play on to the bitter end, but also to play as slowly as humanly possible.
And I say again.
We are NOT discussing the position.
But glad most agree on the impoliteness of the resignation request.
Have had a message from my opponent regarding the issue...
Subject: whine?
so you did a thread about that comment of mine. have fun. all I am saying is that I'm fed up with people who think they have some chances even thou ...[text shortened]... hat sentence in the future also. It didn't work for you but it did to a bunch of other mem
Regarding my previous post:
To be clear: I would never advocate intimidating, insulting, or tricking an opponent to resign. That would be at least unsportsmanlike, if not illegal. I am also not advocating asking multiple times after an opponent has declined; it's his/her right to play on until the bitter end, even if the hopes of winning are desperate.
It's in those circumstances when an opponent is dodging inevitable defeat, either in ignorance or to be irritating that a _single_, _polite_, and _sincere_ request for a resignation should be proffered.
My opinion, only, of course.
Nemesio
Originally posted by SimonmServes him right.
Slightly off topic, but I was many years ago in a school tournament, I was no where good enugh, was just filling a seat cos some one could not make it at the last moment. My oppenent completely outclassed me and got silly (as kids do). He tried to goad me in to quitting and when I declined he proceeded to create 6 queens and mess me about.
You know whats ...[text shortened]... ss stalemated me and I got a point for the team 😀
not entirely relvent but funny as hell....
Originally posted by saffa73who told you that?ðŸ˜
'you -COULD- resign.. I can't get a new game until this is finished so why to continue when you're a piece down :G'
This is the message my opponent sent me.
In fairness I am in a bad way, am a rook for pawn down, but it irks me t ...[text shortened]... ly play 6 games and want me to resign so they can play more...
I agree with Nemesio. There appear to be a number of minor issues (the clumsiness of the alleged response from the winning player, the request that the resignation is made to free up a game for a non-subscriber) clouding the main issue here, which is surely this: chess etiquette dictates that one resigns a hopeless position, out of respect for one's opponent.
I can't speak for anyone else (obviously), but I like to think I'm good enough at chess (and believe me, I'm not great!) to know when I'm playing a competent opponent. Any player that end up a major piece up against me is worthy of my respect, and hence my resignation. Every case has to be judged on its merits, but generally speaking playing on to the bitter end is poor behaviour.
Being English, perhaps I value the Corinthian spirit too much...
Originally posted by nemesioThe contract is when you start game
All situations vary, of course, depending on remaining pieces and position, but I have to disagree with the majority on this one. I think that there are times where a polite request for resignation is occasionally appropriate.
We all have likely been plagued with annoying games where an opponent is substantially down with no chance of winning and no rea ...[text shortened]... signation is, to me, acceptable. If it is refused, then so be it, and play it out.
Nemesio
Originally posted by ivangriceI don't think this is the central issue at all. Yes, chess ettiquette dictates that you resign once you objectively feel the game is lost. But each person has thier own set of criteria to determine when they should (or if they should) resign. I have seen the game that is in question, and while I'm not someone who likes to drag out lost positions, I doubt I would resign in that position quite yet, especially given the rating of the opponenet. (he says he is 2000 over the board, but how are we to know?)
I agree with Nemesio. There appear to be a number of minor issues (the clumsiness of the alleged response from the winning player, the request that the resignation is made to free up a game for a non-subscriber) clouding the main issue here, which is surely this: chess etiquette dictates that one resigns a hopeless position, out of respect for one's oppo ...[text shortened]... itter end is poor behaviour.
Being English, perhaps I value the Corinthian spirit too much...
The central issue here, in my opinion, is that requesting a player to resign is an even bigger breach of etiquette than not resigning a lost position.
Originally posted by Natural ScienceI hope that the game in question is over now, otherwise you are commenting on the game in progress.
I have seen the game that is in question, and while I'm not someone who likes to drag out lost positions, I doubt I would resign in that position quite yet, especially given the rating of the opponenet. (he says he is 2000 over the board, but how are we to know?)
Originally posted by ivangriceTwo things catch my attention about this....
I agree with Nemesio. There appear to be a number of minor issues (the clumsiness of the alleged response from the winning player, the request that the resignation is made to free up a game for a non-subscriber) clouding the main issue here, which is surely this: chess etiquette dictates that one resigns a hopeless position, out of respect for one's oppo ...[text shortened]... itter end is poor behaviour.
Being English, perhaps I value the Corinthian spirit too much...
Any player that end up a major piece up against me is worthy of my respect, and hence my resignation.
You resign every time you go "major piece" down? Seriously? Thats a rather odd attitude! Does position not come into this at all? Are you really saying to beat you I need not mate you, simply force you into an unfavourable exchange?
5 moves ago in a game I'm playing I was equal on pawns facing my opponent with a rook and a queen, he had 2 rooks and a queen (I'd been playing a back row piece down since the begining due to an early gambit). Now I have a queen and he has a rook and I have a one pawn advantage. I did not resign, he will not either, a draw, and even a win, is not past for him yet and whats more it's been extremely interesting. I think your ettiquete means you miss an important part of the game....
chess etiquette dictates that one resigns a hopeless position, out of respect for one's opponent.
I'm not really sure where this "ettiquete" comes from in the first place but if you say it exsists....
I play a friend here who I play regualrily across the board as well. I think out of the 100 or so times we've played I've won twice (12 games here, lost em all, well on my way to the 13th 😉). I have a huge amount of respect for him and while I enter each new game hopefull the conclusion is largely known before the first move. Should I just resign there and then?
I think you miss the 'every case has to be judged on its own merit' bit. What I'm saying is that one tends to know when one is prolonging a game in which one is in a hopeless position. Whether or not to resign is a judgment call; my judgment (such that it is) is possibly more informed by respect for my opponent than other people.
Different people make different calls - however, at some point on the continuum, most 'reasonable' people would state that a position is hopeless and should be resigned. Hence it can be frustrating to play against someone who is far from oneself on the 'resignation continuum'...
I think I'll shut up now.