I think if black plays 1....Kb6 black wins the game, because if white follows with 2.Kd3 black achieves opposition with 2...Kc5 3.f3 g3 (if gxf3 then gxf3 giving white the game) 4.f4 gxf4 5.Ke4 Kxc4 6.Kxf4 d3 and black wins the game. I'm probably wrong and I missed something or have the board setup wrong.
Originally posted by OtisI think 1....,Kb6 fails on 2.Kd3,Kc5 3.g3 1-0
I think if black plays 1....Kb6 black wins the game, because if white follows with 2.Kd3 black achieves opposition with 2...Kc5 3.f3 g3 (if gxf3 then gxf3 giving white the game) 4.f4 gxf4 5.Ke4 Kxc4 6.Kxf4 d3 and black wins the game. I'm probably wrong and I missed something or have the board setup wrong.
Originally posted by OtisYes!Well almost.1...,g3 is the correct answer,but it doesn't win.Remember the objective was to draw.
oh didn't see that. Well what about 1....g3 2.fxg3 or f3 then ... Kb6 3. Kd3 Kc5 and winning then?
1...,g3 2..f3,Kd6 3.Kc2,Kc6 = both sides are kept at bay.
2.fxg3 would indeed win for black
Ok,your turn to post a puzzle π
Originally posted by Mephisto2Here are the lines I could come up with.Hope they are somewhat correct π
Since nobody posts a new puzzle, here is one.
White: Kg5 Qc1 Rc5
Black: Ke7 Qb8 Rd8
White plays and wins.
Careful, this is not an easy one.
1.Qe3+ Kf7 2.Qf3+ Kg7 3.Qf6+ Kg8 4.Kg6 Rd7 5.Qe6+ Kf8 6.Rf5+ Rf7 7.Qxf7#
1.Qe3+ Kf7 2.Qf3+ Kg7 3.Qf6+ Kg8 4.Kg6 Qg3+ 5.Rg5 Qc7 6.Kh6+ Qg7+
7.Qxg7#
1.Qe3+ Kf7 2.Qf3+ Kg7 3.Qf6+ Kg8 4 Kg6 Qb7 5.Qxd8#
1.Qe3+ Kf8 2.Rf5+ Kg8 3.Qe6+ Kg7 4.Rf7+ Kg8 5.Qg6+ Kh8 6.Rh7#
1.Qe3+ Kf8 2.Rf5+ Kg8 3.Qe6+ Kh8 4.Kh6 Qh2+ 5.Rh5 Qc7 6.Kg6+ Qh7+ 7.Rxh7#
1.Qe3+ Kf8 2.Rf5+ Kg8 3.Qe6+ Kh8 4.Kh6 Qc7 5.Qf6+ Kg8 6.Rg5+ Qg7+ 7.Qxg7#
1.Qe3+ Kf8 2.Rf5+ Kg7 3.Qe7+ Kh8 4.Kh6 Qh2+ 5.Rh5 Qf4+ 6.Kg6+ Kg8 7.Qg7#
1.Qe3+ Kd7 2.Rd5+ Kc6 3.Qc5+ Kb7 4.Qb4+ Kc6 5.Qc4+ Kb7 6.Rb5+ Ka8 7.Qc6+ Ka7 8.Ra5#
Sir Lot.
Originally posted by SirLoseALotGood try, but not complete, and you are missing the line
1.Qe3+ Kf7 2.Qf3+ Kg7 3.Qf6+ Kg8 4.Kg6 Rd7 5.Qe6+ Kf8 6.Rf5+ Rf7 7.Qxf7#
1.Qe3+ Kf7 2.Qf3+ Kg7 3.Qf6+ Kg8 4.Kg6 Qg3+ 5.Rg5 Qc7 6.Kh6+ Qg7+
7.Qxg7#
1.Qe3+ Kf7 2.Qf3+ Kg7 3.Qf6+ Kg8 4 Kg6 Qb7 5.Qxd8#
1.Qe3+ Kf8 2.Rf5+ Kg8 3.Qe6+ Kg7 4.Rf7+ Kg8 5.Qg6+ Kh8 6.Rh7#
1.Qe3+ Kf8 2.Rf5+ Kg8 3.Qe6+ Kh8 4.Kh6 Qh2+ 5.Rh5 Qc7 6.Kg6+ Qh7+ 7.Rxh7#
1.Qe3 ...[text shortened]...
1.Qe3+ Kd7 2.Rd5+ Kc6 3.Qc5+ Kb7 4.Qb4+ Kc6 5.Qc4+ Kb7 6.Rb5+ Ka8 7.Qc6+ Ka7 8.Ra5#
Sir Lot.
1.Qe3+ Kf7 2.Qf3+ Kg8! which leads (probably) to draw only. For instance
3.Qg4 Kh8 4.Qh5+ Kg8 5.Qg6+ Kh8 etc... the rook cannot participate
A better try after 1.Qe3+ Kf7 would be 2.Rf5+ Kg7 (not Kg8!) but that too is insufficient after
- 3.Qc3+ Kg8 4.Qc4 Kh8 5.Qh4+ Kg8 etc...
- 3.Qe7+ Kg8 4.Qf7+ Kh8
- 3.Qg1 Qb4! 4.Kh5+ Kh8 and now Qa1+ is countered with Qd4!
the problem is that the rook doesn't get to participate more than one move in these continuations.
Conclusion: 1.Qe3+ is not the solution.
Originally posted by Mephisto2Seems to me (I'm sort of new to all this) 1. Rc7+
Since nobody posts a new puzzle, here is one.
White: Kg5 Qc1 Rc5
Black: Ke7 Qb8 Rd8
White plays and wins.
Careful, this is not an easy one.
offers no chance for black to escape.
Black has to respond Ke6 to avoid swift forced mate.
(1. ... Kd6 , 2. Qc6+ Ke6 , 3. Re7π
(1. ... Ke8 , 2. Qe1+ Kf8 3. Qe7+ Kg8 , 4. Qg7π
(1. ... Kf8 Same line as above)
so
1. Rc7+ Ke6 , 2. Qe3+ Kd5 (Kd6 same as above)
3. Qc5+ Ke4 , 4. Re7+
This is it. Either:
(4. ... Kf3 leads to 5. Qf5+ Kg2 , 6. Re2+ Kg1 7. Qf2+ Kh1 , 8. Qg2π
(4. ... Kd3 , 5. Qa3+ .... onwards to a forced mate)
Am I Right?
Originally posted by chasparosGood effort, and you got the first move right. But you omitted black's best reply to 1.Rc7+, which is Rd7!. Go from there.
Seems to me (I'm sort of new to all this) 1. Rc7+
offers no chance for black to escape.
Black has to respond Ke6 to avoid swift forced mate.
(1. ... Kd6 , 2. Qc6+ Ke6 , 3. Re7π
(1. ... Ke8 , 2. Qe1+ Kf8 3. Qe7+ Kg8 , 4. Qg7π
(1. ... Kf8 Same line as above)
so
1. Rc7+ Ke6 , 2. Qe3+ Kd5 (Kd6 same as above)
3. Qc5+ Ke4 , 4. Re7+
This is it. Ei ...[text shortened]... Qf2+ Kh1 , 8. Qg2π
(4. ... Kd3 , 5. Qa3+ .... onwards to a forced mate)
Am I Right?
ps. yes, apart from specific positions which lead to stalemate, K+Q vs. K+R is a win . It is not very difficult, and takes some 15 to 30 moves, meaning you can even allow for one or two weaker moves and recuperate before the 50-move limit.
Originally posted by Mephisto2I Should have known i'd miss something :-)
Good effort, and you got the first move right. But you omitted black's best reply to 1.Rc7+, which is Rd7!. Go from there.
ps. yes, apart from specific positions which lead to stalemate, K+Q vs. K+R is a win . It is not very difficult, and takes some 15 to 30 moves, meaning you can even allow for one or two weaker moves and recuperate before the 50-move limit.
How about:
1. Rc7+ Rd7!
2. Qc5+
Alternates:
1.) 2. ... Kd8 3. Qd6 Ke8 4. Qe6+ Kf8 5. Rxd7 -> Easy win
(3. ... Qxc7 leads to 4. Qf8# )
2.) 2. ... Ke8 3. Rc8+ Qxc8 4. Qxc8+ -> Queen vs Rook
3.) 2. ... Ke6 3. Qc6+ Ke5 4. Qf6+ Ke4 5. Qf4+ Kd5 6. Rxd7+ -> Black Queen is also lost. Easy Win.(even for me :-) )
Only leaves 2. ... Kf7 which hangs the rook. 3. Rxd7+
Is this closer :-) What have I missed this time... ;-)
Originally posted by chasparosYou are making progress, but not there yet.
I Should have known i'd miss something :-)
How about:
1. Rc7+ Rd7!
2. Qc5+
Alternates:
1.) 2. ... Kd8 3. Qd6 Ke8 4. Qe6+ Kf8 5. Rxd7 -> Easy win
(3. ... Qxc7 leads to 4. Qf8# )
2.) 2. ... Ke8 3. Rc8+ Qxc8 4. Qxc8+ -> ...[text shortened]... xd7+
Is this closer :-) What have I missed this time... ;-)
1.Rc7+ Rd7 2.Qc5+ and Kd8 is the only move for black.
You are right about the alternatives
1) Ke8? loses after 3.Qe5+ Kd8 (mate in a few after Kf7) 4.Rxd7+ winst the queen
2) Kc8? 3.Rc8+ wins as you indicate, but stronger is 3.Qe5+ Kd8 (if 3.Kf8 then 4.Qf5+ Kg8 5.Qxd7 wins, and black doesn't even have a check) 4.rxd7+ wins the queen
How does white proceed after 2. ... Kd8?
Originally posted by Mephisto2Ahh... its really quite simple once you get it :-)
You are making progress, but not there yet.
1.Rc7+ Rd7 2.Qc5+ and Kd8 is the only move for black.
You are right about the alternatives
1) Ke8? loses after 3.Qe5+ Kd8 (mate in a few after Kf7) 4.Rxd7+ winst the queen
2) Kc8? 3.Rc8+ wins as you indicate, but stronger is 3.Qe5+ Kd8 (if 3.Kf8 then 4.Qf5+ Kg8 5.Qxd7 wins, and black doesn't even have a check) 4.rxd7+ wins the queen
How does white proceed after 2. ... Kd8?
3. Kg6 (any 6:th rank should do it)
Is this what is called a tempo switch?
anyway... this forces black to move when he dont want to..
black has to play 3. ... Rxc7
leading to
4. Qf8+ Kg7
5. Qxb8
Voila A Queen vs Rook Endgame...
Nice :-)