28 Jul 04
Originally posted by SirLoseALotYou are right, I focussed too much on the stalemate position. But it doesn't solve the puzzle.
No,'cause then the d-pawn can move up the board.By the time it reaches d1,white's king will have reached c6.simple win from there on
1.Kg4 f3
2.Bxf3? Kxb7 and next move Kxb6 draws. Lol
28 Jul 04
Originally posted by Mephisto2ehr,no,'cause the bishop still protects b7 LOL
You are right, I focussed too much on the stalemate position. But it doesn't solve the puzzle.
1.Kg4 f3
2.Bxf3? Kxb7 and next move Kxb6 draws. Lol
But you're right that my solution is faulty,after d5 the bishop's diagonal is blocked making it a draw.Hmm,back to the drawing board 😀
28 Jul 04
Originally posted by SirLoseALotthat's it. I was very careless in my comments. I knew that I could better do this after the wine we had than to make moves in my games :-)
I think I've seen it before,this should work.1.Kg2,f3+ 2.Kf1,f2 3.Bc6,d5 4.Kxf2,d4 5.Bf3,d3 6.Ke3,d2 7.Kd4,d1(Q)+ 8.Bxd1,Kxb7 9.Kc6 1-0 🙂
The pointe of this puzzle was indeed, as you indicate, the Bc6 move, forcing the d-pawn to move downwards, and then to go to f3 to capture it. Well done!
29 Jul 04
Ok, I said I'd provide another and I've got one. I pulled it out of one of my endgame books... and since I hated trying to figure it out, I thought you all might enjoy it. Ready?
White: Kc1, Qe2, Rd1, Rh1, Bd2, Nf3, pa2, pb3, pc3, pe5, pf4, pg2, ph2
Black: Kg8, Qb6, Rb8, Rd8, Bd4, Bf5, pa7, pc6, pf7, pg7, ph7
Black to move and mate in 4.
29 Jul 04
Originally posted by DecanterToo tough for me.The really sad part is that I believe I know it.Isn't it taken from a Morphy game?
Ok, I said I'd provide another and I've got one. I pulled it out of one of my endgame books... and since I hated trying to figure it out, I thought you all might enjoy it. Ready?
White: Kc1, Qe2, Rd1, Rh1, Bd2, Nf3, pa2, pb3, pc3, pe5, pf4, pg2, ph2
Black: Kg8, Qb6, Rb8, Rd8, Bd4, Bf5, pa7, pc6, pf7, pg7, ph7
Black to move and mate in 4.
29 Jul 04
Originally posted by SirLoseALotSame here. I can't make it in four moves for black. I need five. Here is what I can do:
Too tough for me.The really sad part is that I believe I know it.Isn't it taken from a Morphy game?
1.Qxb3 axb3
The only other moves to avoid mate on b1 or b2 are Be3 or Be1 to free square d2 and protect square b2.
a) 1....Be3 2.Bxe3+ Qxe3 (if Qd2 or Rd2 then Qb1#; if Nd2 then Qxc3🙄 3.Qb2#
b) 1....Be1 2.Qb1# Kd2 3.Qc2#
2.Rxb3 and it would be mate in 4 if white didn't play Qb5, Qd3, or Qe4 to delay the mate with one move (was that overseen in the book?). Let's take Qb5
2....Qb5 3.cxb5 and after 3. ...Be3 or Be1 black continues with 4.Be3+ and 5.Rb1#.
29 Jul 04
Originally posted by DecanterGive the moves of what u are trying to say. If you agree that white can delay the mate, then mate in 4 is not possible.
At black's second move, throwing out the queen would delay mate but there's another move that would actually give the King an escape route. (temporarily, of course)
29 Jul 04
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Originally posted by Mephisto21. ...Qxb3
Give the moves of what u are trying to say. If you agree that white can delay the mate, then mate in 4 is not possible.
2. axb3 Rxb3
3. Be1 Be3+
4. Any Rb1++
or if you'd rather
3. Be3 Bxe3+
4. Any Rb1++
The scenario assumes that White is trying to avoid mate rather than simply trying to delay it. Giving away the queen would delay mate, but only moving the bishop gives you a chance to avoid it.
29 Jul 04
Originally posted by DecanterOf course, these are the moves that I gave. But your initial statement was 'Mate in 4'. That means against ANY moves of the opponent. And this is not the case here.
1. ...Qxb3
2. axb3 Rxb3
3. Be1 Be3+
4. Any Rb1++
or if you'd rather
3. Be3 Bxe3+
4. Any Rb1++
The scenario assumes that White is trying to avoid mate rather than simply trying to delay it. Giving away the queen would delay mate, but only moving the bishop gives you a chance to avoid it.
29 Jul 04
Fair enough... your skill and knowledge level are dramatically over mine so I'm happy to defer... but I tend to ignore throwaway moves, as do the book series I use. I should have clarified that. My bad.
Either way, you plotted the mate accurately so I guess you're up.
Bring it on!