Spirituality
23 Apr 11
25 Apr 11
Originally posted by JS357To simplify:
Oh, but their benefit is infinite and eternal, no?
World Population by Religion: http://www.wholesomewords.org/missions/greatc.html
Christian 2,199,817,400
Roman Catholics 1,121,516,000
Independents* 433,096,000
Protestants 381,811,000
Orthodox 233,146,000
Anglicans 82,586,000
Muslims 1,387,454,500
Hindus 875,726,000
Chinese uni ...[text shortened]... istoric, mainstream, organized, institutionalized, confessional, denominationalist Christianity.
Going to Heaven 2,199,817,400. Going to Hell, everyone else.
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25 Apr 11
I just don't get why Robbie and Galvo can't answer this question. They are clearly avoiding it. I'll just put it out there again and hopefully they will have some comment or at least someone else will recognise how embarrassingly coy they are about their religion. Does following the teachings of Christ necessarily require membership in the JW organisation?
25 Apr 11
Originally posted by Conrau KAbsolutely not.
I just don't get why Robbie and Galvo can't answer this question. They are clearly avoiding it. I'll just put it out there again and hopefully they will have some comment or at least someone else will recognise how embarrassingly coy they are about their religion. Does following the teachings of Christ necessarily require membership in the JW organisation?
25 Apr 11
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Originally posted by Conrau KI have now answered it three times, with biblical reference, what is this an inquisition?
I just don't get why Robbie and Galvo can't answer this question. They are clearly avoiding it. I'll just put it out there again and hopefully they will have some comment or at least someone else will recognise how embarrassingly coy they are about their religion. Does following the teachings of Christ necessarily require membership in the JW organisation?
Why dont you rack us up Conrau and try to extract a confession. Do i think that you
need to be part of Jws organisation to claim that you are a Christian? answer yes
, reason, obedience to the Christ's commands to take seriously the admonition at
Matthew 28:19,20, no other group as far as i can discern are engaged in that work, if
you can make reference to any other then please do so. A christian is one who follows
the teachings of the Christ.
25 Apr 11
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI've just been right through this thread and whilst you have offered "explanation" I still don't see a yes or no from either you or Galveston.
I have now answered it three times, with biblical reference, what is this an inquisition?
Why dont you rack us up Conrau and try to extract a confession. Do i think that you
need to be part of Jws organisation to claim that you are a Christian? answer yes
, reason, obedience to the Christ's commands to take seriously the admonition at
Matthe ...[text shortened]... to any other then please do so. A christian is one who follows
the teachings of the Christ.
Is the answer yes or no?
I have an insight here - you are told by your JW leadership not to give yes or no answers aren't you...?
25 Apr 11
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Originally posted by divegeesterduh?
I've just been right through this thread and whilst you have offered "explanation" I still don't see a yes or no from either you or Galveston.
Is the answer yes or no?
I have an insight here - you are told by your JW leadership not to give yes or no answers aren't you...?
I have now answered it three times, with biblical reference, what is this an inquisition?
Why dont you rack us up Conrau and try to extract a confession. Do i think that you
need to be part of Jws organisation to claim that you are a Christian? answer yes
, reason, obedience to the Christ's commands to take seriously the admonition at
Matthew 28:19,20, no other group as far as i can discern are engaged in that work, if
you can make reference to any other then please do so. A Christian is one who follows
the teachings of the Christ.
my JW leadership, mmm, so lets get this straight, i sent texts to our World
Headquarters in Brooklyn, New York and ask the branch committee there to tell me
what i should say, to a question, posed on an internet forum, do you have any
realisation just how deluded your text appears? If you had, you would certainly
not have made it, for sure. Christ is our leader, for as far as I am aware, the
Bibles states that he is the head of the Christian congregation, last time i looked
anyway. what shall I do, text the Christ?
You might want to keep your incites to yourself and stick to scripture, but even there
you have been found wanting, running away from questions that you cannot or
refuse to answer, it is to laugh! remember you were telling us how Hosea was a
reference to Jesus, or have you forgotten?
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25 Apr 11
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWhy dont you rack us up Conrau and try to extract a confession. Do i think that you
I have now answered it three times, with biblical reference, what is this an inquisition?
Why dont you rack us up Conrau and try to extract a confession. Do i think that you
need to be part of Jws organisation to claim that you are a Christian? answer yes
, reason, obedience to the Christ's commands to take seriously the admonition at
Matthe ...[text shortened]... to any other then please do so. A christian is one who follows
the teachings of the Christ.
need to be part of Jws organisation to claim that you are a Christian? answer yes
, reason, obedience to the Christ's commands to take seriously the admonition at
Matthew 28:19,20, no other group as far as i can discern are engaged in that work, if
you can make reference to any other then please do so. A christian is one who follows
the teachings of the Christ.
That answer is not satisfactory. It leaves unclear whether a person necessarily must be a JW in order to be Christian (which is the question I actually asked.) Now basically, your answer is just one of circumstances: currently, no church follows Christ's teachings and therefore a person would have to be a JW. But what if, however, a person were a member of the Anglican church, personally abhorring their failure to adhere to Christian teaching and himself fervently trying to obey the commands of Christ as far as he understands -- would he be classified as a Christian? What about Christians not identifying with any church? Could they be Christian? You leave a lot unanswered.
I also asked Galvo what their presence is in the Asian-Pacific area and Middle East. Do you have missionaries in these hostile countries? It would seem a bit lame to claim moral superiority for knocking at the doors of White American Christians but failing to spread the gospel message where, quite frankly, it is needed more. At least Catholic, Anglican and even Baptist churches have a presence there. I also asked what contribution the JW organisation makes to social justice missions. Do JWs, as Jesus instructs, feed the hungry, clothe the naked and visit the infirm and the incarcerated? Apart from preaching, how else do you fulfill Christ's teachings?
25 Apr 11
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieGot you to answer though didn't it! Finally.
duh?
I have now answered it three times, with biblical reference, what is this an inquisition?
Why dont you rack us up Conrau and try to extract a confession. Do i think that you
need to be part of Jws organisation to claim that you are a Christian? [b]answer yes
, reason, obedience to the Christ's commands to take seriously the admonition ...[text shortened]... ugh! remember you were telling us how Hosea was a
reference to Jesus, or have you forgotten?[/b]
You are one angry, defensive dude.
25 Apr 11
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Originally posted by Conrau K[/b]You HAVE to be a JW in order to be a 'Christian'. The sect is exclusive and very defensive.
[b]Why dont you rack us up Conrau and try to extract a confession. Do i think that you
need to be part of Jws organisation to claim that you are a Christian? answer yes
, reason, obedience to the Christ's commands to take seriously the admonition at
Matthew 28:19,20, no other group as far as i can discern are engaged in that work, if
you can make r nfirm and the incarcerated? Apart from preaching, how else do you fulfill Christ's teachings?
25 Apr 11
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Originally posted by Conrau Kno it is not unsatisfactory, it provides a clear and readily understandable definition of
Why dont you rack us up Conrau and try to extract a confession. Do i think that you
need to be part of Jws organisation to claim that you are a Christian? answer yes
, reason, obedience to the Christ's commands to take seriously the admonition at
Matthew 28:19,20, no other group as far as i can discern are engaged in that work, if
you can make r nfirm and the incarcerated? Apart from preaching, how else do you fulfill Christ's teachings?
what a Christian is, that is one who adopts and practices the teachings of the Christ.
There is an example given used to support the premise and on the basis of an
evaluation an answer has been rendered to the affirmative, that yes indeed one
must, as is evidenced by obedience to the command of the Christ which no other
organisation advocates in word or deed, having abandoned the teaching or
supplanted it with other teaching, of necessity and through definition, one must be a
participant in the Christian ministry and a Jehovahs Witness. As we are the only
organisation engaged in the work, it is self evident that such must be the case.
Your references to Anglicans or those who dont identifying with the church are not
Christians, for they are not advocating and practising the teachings of the Christ
answering all relevant details. The same as the make it up as you go along while
sitting in my home style Christians. God has always had an organisation and I say
we are it based on the evidence.
yes we do, but they are not officially published for safety reasons, for if you knew
anything about it, you would know of the penalties for proselytising in places like
the middle east. As for you assertion of your presence i myself was a missionary in
Pakistan and while the Catholic church was engaged in humanitarian work and had
a grip on the educational establishment both public and private, they were not
engaged in preaching and teaching people about Gods Kingdom, after the manner
of Christ and the apostles, in fact, what happens is the clergy go from house to
house soliciting for money, and when we call they think we are there for the same
reason, the number of times i had to say , we received free therefore we give free
was countless. Presence of a church means absolutely nothing, unless i remind you
of the horrendous events in Africa with the Tutsi and Hutu, both predominately
Catholic.
25 Apr 11
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Originally posted by divegeesterGods organisation has always been exclusive, firstly Noah and his family were
You HAVE to be a JW in order to be a 'Christian'. The sect is exclusive and very defensive.[/b]
exclusive, then the Israelites were exclusive and in the first century the Christian
congregation was also exclusive, holy spirit being poured upon a mere 120 persons.
God has always had an organisation, never have individual worshipped him as
independent agents, this fact is Biblically established.
25 Apr 11
Originally posted by robbie carrobieAbsolute twisted nonsense robbie. I can't believe you even posted that.
Gods organisation has always been exclusive, firstly Noah and his family were
exclusive, then the Israelites were exclusive and in the first century the Christian
congregation was also exclusive, holy spirit being poured upon a mere 120 persons.
God has always had an organisation, never have individual worshipped him as
independent agents, this fact is Biblically established.
So you are saying the JW organisation are the modern day Noah's Ark?
25 Apr 11
Originally posted by divegeesterso you dont believe it, you dont believe that Jehovah and Christ are two different
Absolute twisted nonsense robbie. I can't believe you even posted that.
So you are saying the JW organisation are the modern day Noah's Ark?
entities either, big deal, shall we look at some scriptures which demonstrate the reality
that Gods organisation has always been exclusive? why it should shock you I have no
idea, for anyone who reads the scriptures can readily discern it. As for being a
modern day Ark, yes i think we must, when will you people realise that we are just
pure awesome?