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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
no it is not unsatisfactory, it provides a clear and readily understandable definition of
what a Christian is, that is one who adopts and practices the teachings of the Christ.
There is an example given used to support the premise and on the basis of an
evaluation an answer has been rendered to the affirmative, that yes indeed one
must, as is ...[text shortened]... you
of the horrendous events in Africa with the Tutsi and Hutu, both predominately
Catholic.

Your references to Anglicans or those who dont identifying with the church are not
Christians, for they are not advocating and practising the teachings of the Christ
answering all relevant details. The same as the make it up as you go along while
sitting in my home style Christians. God has always had an organisation and I say
we are it based on the evidence.

Look, just explain what the relevant details are. Imagine there were someone professing Christianity, who went door to door evangelising, practiced all the precepts of the JW organisation, although never himself joining them nor attending a kingdom hall. Has he failed to follow the teachings of Christ?

yes we do, but they are not officially published for safety reasons, for if you knew
anything about it, you would know of the penalties for proselytising in places like
the middle east. As for you assertion of your presence i myself was a missionary in
Pakistan and while the Catholic church was engaged in humanitarian work and had
a grip on the educational establishment both public and private, they were not
engaged in preaching and teaching people about Gods Kingdom, after the manner
of Christ and the apostles, in fact, what happens is the clergy go from house to
house soliciting for money, and when we call they think we are there for the same
reason, the number of times i had to say , we received free therefore we give free
was countless. Presence of a church means absolutely nothing, unless i remind you
of the horrendous events in Africa with the Tutsi and Hutu, both predominately
Catholic.

Oh right. 'It's a secret'. I believe that. Again, does your organisation feed the hungry, clothe the naked, visit the infirm and the incarcerate. Christ said 'he who does this for the least does so for me'. Exactly what is your organisation's commitment to charitable activity?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
whatever, the scriptures are there if you ever find the motivation to actually address them.

Who decides what your views on scripture are?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
whatever, the scriptures are there if you ever find the motivation to actually address them.

I could say the same to you.

Originally posted by divegeester
On a side note; why do you and Galveston repeatedly assert that your point of contention is "clearly written in scripture" or "obvious" or "undeniable" etc. And that the person disagreeing with you is "blind" or being "ludicrous" or "idiotic"?

Do you not think that if something was that obvious everyone would accept it, or that if something really was "ludicrous" very few would hold to it?

as far as i can discern i have not stated that anyone is blind, nor idiotic. That the
matter at hand is clearly written in scripture anyone can see, that the matter at hand
and the counter arguments appear to us to be obvious and the stance (not the person
as you are erroneously trying to portray) ludicrous is demonstrated in the instance
that the Christ did not need a saviour, even though he appealed, with outcries and
petitions, to the ONe who was able to SAVE him. If such a stance appears to be
unfounded and unreasonable then we have every right to call it ludicrous. The
scripture themselves describe unbelievers as being blinded although i myself am not
really fond of using it. Yoiur own post is of course an attack on our person, but
apparently its alright for you and not for us, so be it, i never got anything but grief
from attacking a person anyway

Originally posted by divegeester
I could say the same to you.

i have produced scriptures, why does Paul state that gifts would cease then?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Who decides what your views on scripture are?

In the frame of this current topic about discernment through the spirit I'd say this is a very pertinent question.

Originally posted by Conrau K
Your references to Anglicans or those who dont identifying with the church are not
Christians, for they are not advocating and practising the teachings of the Christ
answering all relevant details. The same as the make it up as you go along while
sitting in my home style Christians. God has always had an organisation and I say
we are it based o st does so for me'. Exactly what is your organisation's commitment to charitable activity?

Look, just explain what the relevant details are. Imagine there were someone
professing Christianity, who went door to door evangelising, practised all the
precepts of the JW organisation, although never himself joining them nor attending
a kingdom hall. Has he failed to follow the teachings of Christ?

how would he learn of the precepts and teachings of Jehovahs witnesses if he

1.never studied with a Jehovahs witness initially
2.never attended a Kingdom hall

that is correct, he could not, he would have at least had some contact with Jehovahs
Witnesses in order to learn of our teaching, what is more, he would need to
demonstrate that he was living in harmony with those tenets, morally and
spiritually. How this could be achieved independently is impossible.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
i have produced scriptures, why does Paul state that gifts would cease then?

If I show you and it makes sense and is backed up by scripture, will you change your position?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Who decides what your views on scripture are?

we do, that is Jehovahs Witnesses, who else?

Originally posted by divegeester
If I show you and it makes sense and is backed up by scripture, will you change your position?

perhaps, but then again, I've yet to meet a nominal Christian that could.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
we do, that is Jehovahs Witnesses, who else?

You have a say in the JW's doctrines?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
perhaps, but then again, I've yet to meet a nominal Christian that could.

What is a nominal Christian? Just thought I'd ask as you keep calling me one.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
perhaps...

Is that real perhaps, as in the truth?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Look, just explain what the relevant details are. Imagine there were someone
professing Christianity, who went door to door evangelising, practised all the
precepts of the JW organisation, although never himself joining them nor attending
a kingdom hall. Has he failed to follow the teachings of Christ?

how would he learn of the precepts and ...[text shortened]... hose tenets, morally and
spiritually. How this could be achieved independently is impossible.

that is correct, he could not, he would have at least had some contact with Jehovahs
Witnesses in order to learn of our teaching, what is more, he would need to
demonstrate that he was living in harmony with those tenets, morally and
spiritually. How this could be achieved independently is impossible.

Really? You guys are always telling me that all your beliefs are founded on the bible. Surely with dedicated study and the assistance of grace, any one with a willing heart would be able to reach the same conclusions as your organisation. Or do you need a priest to explain it to you first?

Originally posted by Conrau K
[b]that is correct, he could not, he would have at least had some contact with Jehovahs
Witnesses in order to learn of our teaching, what is more, he would need to
demonstrate that he was living in harmony with those tenets, morally and
spiritually. How this could be achieved independently is impossible.

Really? You guys are always telling me ...[text shortened]... h the same conclusions as your organisation. Or do you need a priest to explain it to you first?[/b]

perhaps you can cite one instance where this has transpired, otherwise, your havering,
a priest is the last thing you need to understand scripture.