@ G-75 and Or R.C.

Originally posted by divegeester
A nice bit of light-heartedness, which nonetheless reveals your true mind-set.

yes i really think that we have something special, a world wide brotherhood worshipping in true unity.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
nope i am a Tottenham fan and you?

Chelsea.

Thank goodness for that, I was concerned we might have something in common for a moment there!

Originally posted by divegeester
In your deluded mind maybe. To me it's just a list of arbitrary references ripped from JW archives.

you'll find it on the front pages of the New world translation reference Bible, any
Jehovhas witness would be glad to get you one, free of charge, if you were going to
use it and read it.

Originally posted by divegeester
Chelsea.

Thank goodness for that, I was concerned we might have something in common for a moment there!

muhaha, you had better hope you gel next year, otherwise your in for a torrid time.
Tottenham play in my opinion, the most exciting football in the EPL, Bale on the left,
Lennon of the right, they are simply awesome to watch. Chelsea are a team of athletes
and if Drogba goes next year, you will have no creative players at all.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
it seems to me to be akin to our belief in the operation of Gods Holy spirit, which must
be at work in a believer to produce Christian fruitage, that is Christian qualities, love,
joy, peace, kindness, goodness, mildness and faith etc, perhaps the difference is we
also state that one can grieve Holy spirit and that God may withdraw Holy spirit ...[text shortened]... eemed to be actively engaged against its outworking. Would you say
that this is similar idea?

Would you say that this is similar idea?

Sure. In othrodox Christianity grace and the Holy Spirit are inseparable. Are you saying however that the Holy Spirit is only available within your organisation? I wonder why a decent person could not with the help of the Holy Spirit.

Originally posted by Conrau K
[b]Would you say that this is similar idea?

Sure. In othrodox Christianity grace and the Holy Spirit are inseparable. Are you saying however that the Holy Spirit is only available within your organisation? I wonder why a decent person could not with the help of the Holy Spirit.[/b]

because we are the special ones 😉

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
strange that in my time upon the planet not one Catholic has ever shared the good
news of Gods Kingdom with me, all my father, who is a catholic stated, was, and I
quote, 'Jesus is our hero'. In fact, strange that no Christian has offered to share the
good news of Gods Kingdom with me in my time on the planet, leading mw to the
obvious that ...[text shortened]... ously Christ's commission and that they therefore
cannot be Christians but are counterfeit.

Why of course, Robbie, the fact that they never approached YOU proves me wrong. For over a thousand years Catholic missionaries in Africa and in the New World converted more locals to Christianity (namely Catholicism) than the JWs ever will.

To put salt in the wound, I'm also guessing the LDS church puts more missionaries into the field than do the JWs.


And is this, then, finally, your answer to the OP? Those who claim to be Christian who do not belong to YOUR church are "counterfeit"? Nice.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
strange that in my time upon the planet not one Catholic has ever shared the good
news of Gods Kingdom with me, all my father, who is a catholic stated, was, and I
quote, 'Jesus is our hero'. In fact, strange that no Christian has offered to share the
good news of Gods Kingdom with me in my time on the planet, leading mw to the
obvious that ...[text shortened]... ously Christ's commission and that they therefore
cannot be Christians but are counterfeit.

Double post, sorry.

Originally posted by Conrau K
I also asked Galvo what their presence is in the Asian-Pacific area and Middle East. Do you have missionaries in these hostile countries? It would seem a bit lame to claim moral superiority for knocking at the doors of White American Christians but failing to spread the gospel message where, quite frankly, it is needed more. At least Catholic, Anglican and ...[text shortened]... infirm and the incarcerated? Apart from preaching, how else do you fulfill Christ's teachings?

This.


I like how they point to ONE aspect of being Christian and say "We do this, do you? Then you aren't Christian.", while ignoring the other dozen or so aspects. I don't see them in hospitals, in soup kitchens, at homeless shelters. Should they be condemned (as they do) for not following ALL of Christ's teachings? Furthermore, I do not have the numbers in front of me, but I'd be willing to bet that there are more Catholic missionaries and more LDS missionaries spreading the Good Word *worldwide* (not just here at home, as you said) than JWs.

Originally posted by Suzianne
Why of course, Robbie, the fact that they never approached YOU proves me wrong. For over a thousand years Catholic missionaries in Africa and in the New World converted more locals to Christianity (namely Catholicism) than the JWs ever will.

To put salt in the wound, I'm also guessing the LDS church puts more missionaries into the field than do the JWs. ...[text shortened]... ? Those who claim to be Christian who do not belong to YOUR church are "counterfeit"? Nice.

yes it does, indeed that fact that no nominal Christian in the whole of the Uk ever
approaches anyone proves you wrong, indeed, the fact that you cannot even name
one single organisation that does is evidence in itself. Citing what in fact may or may
not have transpired in the past is neither here nor their, or do we need top remind you
of just how south America became Catholic and the horrendous loss of life that ensued
as a consequence, hardly the Christian way was it or perhaps you shall be able to
justify the conquistadors? As for LDS they do not preach the Good News of Gods
Kingdom, but advocate another, the book of Mormon making your other assertion
double bogus! read it and weep sister, read it an weep! Not i, but the scriptures
demonstrate the reality of the claim, unless of course you can state anything to the
contrary. A Christian is one who practices the teachings of the Christ, end of.

Originally posted by Suzianne
Double post, sorry.

no need to apologise, i dare say your human, despite your pretensions.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
yes it does, indeed that fact that no nominal Christian in the whole of the Uk ever
approaches anyone proves you wrong, indeed, the fact that you cannot even name
one single organisation that does is evidence in itself. Citing what in fact may or may
not have transpired in the past is neither here nor their, or do we need top remind you
of j ...[text shortened]... ything to the
contrary. A Christian is one who practices the teachings of the Christ, end of.

You might want to do something about that foaming at the mouth. Not a good fashion statement at all. 😕



I think it is *extremely* narrow-minded of you to have this idea that no one can possibly be Christian unless they follow your narrow, keyhole-like opinion of what a Christian is.

Hardly Christ-like, is it?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
muhaha, you had better hope you gel next year, otherwise your in for a torrid time.
Tottenham play in my opinion, the most exciting football in the EPL, Bale on the left,
Lennon of the right, they are simply awesome to watch. Chelsea are a team of athletes
and if Drogba goes next year, you will have no creative players at all.

You commentate on football like you commentate on religion!

Originally posted by Suzianne
You might want to do something about that foaming at the mouth. Not a good fashion statement at all. 😕



I think it is *extremely* narrow-mined of you to have this idea that no one can possibly be Christian unless they follow your narrow, keyhole-like opinion of what a Christian is.

Hardly Christ-like, is it?

If a JW left the JW organisation they would consider him/her a lost soul i.e. not a Christian and no longer in the 144,000.

The higher the barrier is to entry the better it is at keeping you in; simple psychology employed by all cult like religions/organisations.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
you need to state clearly what you mean by grace, as its a term that we neither use
nor i suspect believe. It seems to be to be Calvinistic in origin and i have encountered
it among various protestant sects from the Scottish islands, namely the free church of
Scotland in describing predestination.

You don't believe in Grace? Did you actually just say that?

Pardon me while I climb on my JW-style high horse and ask how you can possibly be Christian without believing in Grace? Specifically, salvation through Grace.


"For by GRACE are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." -- Ephesians 2:8-9

Ringing a bell yet?