@ G-75 and Or R.C.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
as i stated i will use the New world translation of the Holy scriptures as its extensively
researched and superlative to any other. I will not be made subject to your tyrannical
dictates. This forum is not for your personal preferences and we may use whatever
we like.

Why not? Don't you laugh at fellow Christians for using their preferred translation? Is it yet another reason for insisting that they cannot be "real" Christians?

You've already libeled the LDS church: "As for LDS they do not preach the Good News of Gods Kingdom, but advocate another, the book of Mormon making your other assertion
double bogus!" This completely ignores the fact that they also believe the Bible is the Holy Word of God. The BoM does not supplant the Bible for Mormons. Yet you can believe yourself to be the expert on Bible translations, when you are just defending your church's choice of translations.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
on this basis, which details the references that were used in deciding the basis of our
translation.

Codex Sinaiticus, Gr., fourth cent. C.E., British Museum, H.S., G.S.
Codex Alexandrinus, Gr., fifth cent. C.E., British Museum, H.S., G.S.
Aleppo Codex, Heb., c. 930 C.E., Israel, H.S.
Aquilas Gr. translation of H.S., second cent. C.E., Cambri ...[text shortened]... erhaps you can
produce another as extensively researched as ours? . . . another eerie silence.

Can you tell me how these sources reference your translation when the NWT didn't even exist until 1961?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
look you guys, we are the special ones, you just need to get over it, its no big deal for
us, we are beautiful and that's all there is to it.

I don't actually have a problem with this claim... What I do have a problem with is you calling others (who do not believe as you do ) not Christian. You would deny them their faith because it does not follow lock-step with yours. This is nothing short of shameful.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
yes i really think that we have something special, a world wide brotherhood worshipping in true unity.

"true unity"

If only all Christians worldwide saw themselves as being united in the love of Christ, instead of constantly infighting among themselves, nitpicking details.

Originally posted by Suzianne
Can you tell me how these sources reference your translation when the NWT didn't even exist until 1961?

yes indeed, the New world translation, like our beliefs, undergoes revision. The edition
I have has undergone revision in 1981 and in 1984, you see what happens when your
source of reference is not up to date.

Originally posted by Suzianne
"true unity"

If only all Christians worldwide saw themselves as being united in the love of Christ, instead of constantly infighting among themselves, nitpicking details.

yes but they cannot, because they are each professing different doctrines, some of
which cannot be reconciled with others, except on a purely superficial level. We
simply do not have this problem, indeed, we have never advocated interfaith believing
our form of worship to be formed after the example of the Christ and the early
apostles. This has not come without consequence, being severely persecuted not only
in the united states, by so called Christians, but elsewhere as well.

Originally posted by Suzianne
Why not? Don't you laugh at fellow Christians for using their preferred translation? Is it yet another reason for insisting that they cannot be "real" Christians?

You've already libeled the LDS church: "As for LDS they do not preach the Good News of Gods Kingdom, but advocate another, the book of Mormon making your other assertion
double bogus!" Th ...[text shortened]... on Bible translations, when you are just defending your church's choice of translations.

I have nbo problem with anyone using whatever Bible they wish, as far as I can tell, I
have never objected to any use, merely calling into question the validity of a rendering
when it troubled me after reviewing numerous translations, indeed, if you have ever
read any literature of Jehovahs Witnesses you would know that we cite different
translations to highlight, certain flavours of a text. But of course you would have to
read them to know that.

Originally posted by divegeester
You commentate on football like you commentate on religion!

just watched the highlights of the West ham game, meh, your not bad, but Tottenham
and Liverpool will whup you next season.

Originally posted by Suzianne
You might want to do something about that foaming at the mouth. Not a good fashion statement at all. 😕



I think it is *extremely* narrow-minded of you to have this idea that no one can possibly be Christian unless they follow your narrow, keyhole-like opinion of what a Christian is.

Hardly Christ-like, is it?

what you think, while important to me, is not as important as the example set in
scripture. One cannot read the gospel and fail to see the import that preaching and
teaching others had, in fact, it was one of the soul reasons the congregations were set
up in the first place. Christ himself was not known as a miracle worker, or a
humanitarian, he was first and fore mostly a teacher, Rabi as he was addressed! see
to it if you are to be a Christian.

Originally posted by divegeester
If a JW left the JW organisation they would consider him/her a lost soul i.e. not a Christian and no longer in the 144,000.

The higher the barrier is to entry the better it is at keeping you in; simple psychology employed by all cult like religions/organisations.

no they are a lost sheep and unless they specify that they no wish to be viewed any
longer as a Jehovahs Witness, they remain as such. Of course the main job of the
elders is to shepherd, that is look after members of the congregation to make sure
they are well and happy, but you never knew that, nor i doubt experienced it either.

(John 21:15-17) . . .When, now, they had breakfasted, Jesus said to Simon Peter:
“Simon son of John, do you love me more than these?” He said to him: “Yes, Lord,
you know I have affection for you.” He said to him: “Feed my lambs.”  Again
he said to him, a second time: “Simon son of John, do you love me?” He said to
him: “Yes, Lord, you know I have affection for you.” He said to him: “Shepherd
my little sheep.”  He said to him the third time: “Simon son of John, do you
have affection for me?” Peter became grieved that he said to him the third time:
“Do you have affection for me?” So he said to him: “Lord, you know all things; you
are aware that I have affection for you.” Jesus said to him: “Feed my little
sheep. . .

whether they are a member of the 144,000 or one of those 'other sheep', is neither
here not there, we are Jehovahs Witnesses, one and all.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
yes indeed, the New world translation, like our beliefs, undergoes revision. The edition
I have has undergone revision in 1981 and in 1984, you see what happens when your
source of reference is not up to date.

JW beliefs undergo "revision" every time one of your prophets gets it wrong. LOL

Originally posted by divegeester
JW beliefs undergo "revision" every time one of your prophets gets it wrong. LOL

You probably have no clue what thees scriptures means do you?

Proverbs 4:18 (Good News Translation)

18 The road the righteous travel is like the sunrise, getting brighter and brighter until daylight has come.



Colossians 1:9-12 (Good News Translation)

9 For this reason we have always prayed for you, ever since we heard about you. We ask God to fill you with the knowledge of his will, with all the wisdom and understanding that his Spirit gives.10 Then you will be able to live as the Lord wants and will always do what pleases him. Your lives will produce all kinds of good deeds, and you will grow in your knowledge of God.
11-12May you be made strong with all the strength which comes from his glorious power, so that you may be able to endure everything with patience. And with joy give thanks to[a] the Father, who has made you fit to have your share of what God has reserved for his people in the kingdom of light.



Probably not but see if you can connect any of this info together and come up with an explination of why we ( the JW's ) are always learning.....




During his earthly ministry Jesus Christ was a light, furnishing spiritual enlightenment concerning God’s purposes and will for those who would gain divine favor. (Joh 9:5; compare Isa 42:6, 7; 61:1, 2; Lu 4:18-21.) Initially, only “the lost sheep of the house of Israel” received benefit from that “great light.” (Isa 9:1, 2; Mt 4:13-16; 15:24) But spiritual enlightenment was not to be limited just to the natural Jews and proselytes. (Joh 1:4-9; compare Ac 13:46, 47.) When the infant Jesus was presented at the temple, aged Simeon referred to him as “a light for removing the veil from the nations.” (Lu 2:32) As Paul explained to the Ephesians, uncircumcised non-Jews had been in the dark respecting God and his purposes: “Formerly you were people of the nations as to flesh; ‘uncircumcision’ you were called by that which is called ‘circumcision’ made in the flesh with hands—that you were at that particular time without Christ, alienated from the state of Israel and strangers to the covenants of the promise, and you had no hope and were without God in the world.” (Eph 2:11, 12) However, when the good news about the Christ was brought to the non-Jews, those who responded favorably were ‘called out of darkness into God’s wonderful light.’ (1Pe 2:9) But others continued to allow the one who transforms himself into “an angel of light” or enlightenment (2Co 11:14), “the god of this system of things,” to blind them so ‘that the illumination of the good news about the Christ might not shine through.’ (2Co 4:4) They preferred darkness, for they wanted to continue in their selfish course.—Compare Joh 3:19, 20.

In the Christian Greek Scriptures there are two words commonly translated “knowledge,” gnosis and epignosis. Both are related to the verb ginosko, which means “know; understand; perceive.” The way this verb is used in the Bible, though, shows that it can indicate a favorable relationship between the person and one he “knows.” (1Co 8:3; 2Ti 2:19) Knowledge (gnosis) is put in a very favorable light in the Christian Greek Scriptures.


Increasing in accurate knowledge of the Creator of the universe and of Jesus was a central idea in Peter’s second letter. In its opening he wrote: “May undeserved kindness and peace be increased to you by an accurate knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, forasmuch as his divine power has given us freely all the things that concern life and godly devotion, through the accurate knowledge of the one who called us through glory and virtue.” (2 Peter 1:2, 3) So he links having undeserved kindness and peace with our gaining knowledge of God and his Son. That is reasonable, since the Creator, Jehovah, is the focal point of real knowledge. One who fears God is able to see matters in the right light and to come to valid conclusions.

The governing body of the Christian congregation of Jehovah’s witnesses appreciates the importance of gaining an ever clearer understanding of God’s Word in these critical times. Many tests are yet ahead. The concern felt by the governing body for all of God’s servants earth wide is like that expressed by the apostle Paul in his letter to the Colossians, chapter 1, verses 9-12: “[We] have not ceased praying for you and asking that you may be filled with the accurate knowledge of [God’s] will in all wisdom and spiritual discernment, in order to walk worthily of Jehovah to the end of fully pleasing him as you go on bearing fruit in every good work and increasing in the accurate knowledge of God, being made powerful with all power to the extent of his glorious might so as to endure fully and be long-suffering with joy, thanking the Father who rendered you suitable for your participation in the inheritance of the holy ones in the light.”

Originally posted by galveston75
You probably have no clue what thees scriptures means do you?

Proverbs 4:18 (Good News Translation)

18 The road the righteous travel is like the sunrise, getting brighter and brighter until daylight has come.



Colossians 1:9-12 (Good News Translation)

9 For this reason we have always prayed for you, ever since we heard about you. We as ...[text shortened]... rendered you suitable for your participation in the inheritance of the holy ones in the light.”

You probably have no clue what thees scriptures means do you?

If I understand Robbie correctly, it is not possible for anyone to understand Scripture without the guidance of a JW. Obviously God abandoned most of mankind between the time of the apostate early church and the foundation of your church in the early part of the 20th century.

In the Christian Greek Scriptures there are two words commonly translated “knowledge,” gno′sis and e‧pi′gno‧sis. Both are related to the verb gi‧no′sko, which means “know; understand; perceive.” The way this verb is used in the Bible, though, shows that it can indicate a favorable relationship between the person and one he “knows.” (1Co 8:3; 2Ti 2:19) Knowledge (gno′sis) is put in a very favorable light in the Christian Greek Scriptures.

Really? Come on, Galvo, have you ever read the Scriptures in Greek?

Originally posted by Conrau K
[b]You probably have no clue what thees scriptures means do you?

If I understand Robbie correctly, it is not possible for anyone to understand Scripture without the guidance of a JW. Obviously God abandoned most of mankind between the time of the apostate early church and the foundation of your church in the early part of the 20th century.

I ...[text shortened]... ian Greek Scriptures.

Really? Come on, Galvo, have you ever read the Scriptures in Greek?[/b]

No it's impossible to understand the scriptures without Jehovah's help. Maybe that's why most churches that believe in the "Mystery of the Trinity" can't ever really explain it. If it were a truth then God/Jehovah/Holy Ghost/Jesus/Lord/Holy Spirit/LORD/YHWH or whatever it actually is in their viewpoint would explain it to you.
We understand it as crystal clear as it gets. Hummmmm...I wonder what that means?
And no need to read the scriptures in Greek as it has been very cleary translated into english for us.

Originally posted by galveston75
No it's impossible to understand the scriptures without Jehovah's help. Maybe that's why most churches that believe in the "Mystery of the Trinity" can't ever really explain it. If it were a truth then God/Jehovah/Holy Ghost/Jesus/Lord/Holy Spirit/LORD/YHWH or whatever it actually is in their viewpoint would explain it to you.
We understand it as cryst ...[text shortened]... to read the scriptures in Greek as it has been very cleary translated into english for us.

No it's impossible to understand the scriptures without Jehovah's help.

Interesting. Then what about all those who have never encountered a JW and those who lived before the JWs existed. Poor guys, I guess God just abandoned them.

And no need to read the scriptures in Greek as it has been very cleary translated into english for us.

Clearly not if you need to involve erroneous philological analyses of words like gignoskein and pistein.