@ G-75 and Or R.C.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
It says nothing about letting the leaders of an organisation dictate what people can think or read.

actually dear Noobster, when issues arose in the first century, overseers went up to the
brothers in Jerusalem who acted as a governing body and after they had prayerfully
considered a matter, they rendered a decision and letters were sent throughout the
congregations detailing that decision, here is an account where the issue of
circumcision was causing division, it went to the brothers in Jerusalem and they
rendered a decision that was binding on all.

(Acts 15:1-2) . . .And certain men came down from Judea and began to teach the
brothers: “Unless you get circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you
cannot be saved.”  But when there had occurred no little dissension and disputing
by Paul and Barnabas with them, they arranged for Paul and Barnabas and some
others of them to go up to the apostles and older men in Jerusalem regarding this
dispute.

(Acts 15:6) . . .And the apostles and the older men gathered together to see about
this affair.

(Acts 15:25) . . .we have come to a unanimous accord and have favoured choosing
men to send to you together with our loved ones, Barnabas and Paul. . .

(Acts 15:30-31) . . .Accordingly, when these men were let go, they went down to
Antioch, and they gathered the multitude together and handed them the letter.
 After reading it, they rejoiced over the encouragement.


🙂

Originally posted by Proper Knob
It says nothing about letting the leaders of an organisation dictate what people can think or read.

Nothing is dictated to us in the sence your thinking of and implying. We agree willingly and out of love for Jesus's directing this organization. Ones are not dictated to if they are willing and happy to take direction.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
actually dear Noobster, when issues arose in the first century, overseers went up to the
brothers in Jerusalem who acted as a governing body and after they had prayerfully
considered a matter, they rendered a decision and letters were sent throughout the
congregations detailing that decision, here is an account where the issue of
circumcision ...[text shortened]... r and handed them the letter.
 After reading it, they rejoiced over the encouragement.


🙂

You've lost me, what does circumcision have to do with the discussion?

Originally posted by galveston75
Nothing is dictated to us in the sence your thinking of and implying. We agree willingly and out of love for Jesus's directing this organization. Ones are not dictated to if they are willing and happy to take direction.

I'm not implying anything, i'm merely quoting your literature -

"He does not advocate or insist on personal opinions or harbor private ideas when it comes to Bible understanding."

Of course your dictated to, the rules are set by the Governing Body and you follow. You're instructed to not advocate or insist on personal opinions or harbor private ideas, with relation to scripture. How is that not being dictated to?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
I'm not implying anything, i'm merely quoting your literature -

"He does not advocate or insist on personal opinions or harbor private ideas when it comes to Bible understanding."

Of course your dictated to, the rules are set by the Governing Body and you follow. You're instructed to not advocate or insist on personal opinions or harbor private ideas, with relation to scripture. How is that not being dictated to?

Perhaps you could post the entire context of that statement for us to look at if you don't mind...

Originally posted by galveston75
Perhaps you could post the entire context of that statement for us to look at if you don't mind...

I have already, it's at the bottom of page 11 in this thread.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
I have already, it's at the bottom of page 11 in this thread.

So what you see as a problem in that we are taught to be lets say of the same belief, kind of sounds like this?

Ephesians 4:1-5 (New Living Translation)

Unity in the Body
1 Therefore I, a prisoner for serving the Lord, beg you to lead a life worthy of your calling, for you have been called by God. 2 Always be humble and gentle. Be patient with each other, making allowance for each other’s faults because of your love. 3 Make every effort to ((( keep yourselves united in the Spirit, binding yourselves together with peace)))). 4 For there is one body and one Spirit, just as you have been called to one glorious hope for the future. 5 There is one Lord, (((( one faith)))), one baptism.
13 This will continue until we all come to such (((( unity )))) in our faith and knowledge of God’s Son that we will be mature in the Lord, measuring up to the full and complete standard of Christ.
24 Put on your (((( new nature )))) created to be like God—truly righteous and holy.

Ephesians 5:21 (New Living Translation)

21 And further, (((( submit )))) to one another out of reverence for Christ.

So in this world of everyone doing their own thing, own opinions, and with new churches popping up on every corner because no one can agree scripturally and with ones like yourself who condemn our organization for being "organized" and with us being in " one faith" or belief no matter where you go on this planet, this must sound really scary to you that such a terrible and dictorial organization as the Watchtower Society exist?.
Well if you were to really get the sence of this and other scriptures that describe in detail the unity that the true religion would have as even Jesus said it would be the identifying mark or sign to know them...you just might possibly view us in a better light? Well anything is possible I guess.

Originally posted by galveston75
So what you see as a problem in that we are taught to be lets say of the same belief, kind of sounds like this?

Ephesians 4:1-5 (New Living Translation)

Unity in the Body
1 Therefore I, a prisoner for serving the Lord, beg you to lead a life worthy of your calling, for you have been called by God. 2 Always ...[text shortened]... them...you just might possibly view us in a better light? Well anything is possible I guess.

What a blathering mess of a post.

Unfortunately i have to go out so i will respond later.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
You've lost me, what does circumcision have to do with the discussion?

its not the issue, but the way it was resolved, the process, central governing body
deciding matters of importance for the congregations.

Originally posted by galveston75
Your to hard headed to get it no matter what I say.

Was there something incorrect in my post?

Originally posted by divegeester
Was there something incorrect in my post?

I was just referring to you asking that same yes or no question over and over and not accepting our answer. But I've been told I'm hard headed too. Lol

Originally posted by galveston75
I was just referring to you asking that same yes or no question over and over and not accepting our answer. But I've been told I'm hard headed too. Lol

We can leave it for another time, another day.

Originally posted by menace71
Just a YES OR NO will suffice.


To be a Christian must we be part of the JW Organization ? REMEMBER Yes or No
Is all I need.



Manny

What difference does it make if you want to be christian, there are denominations, sects, cults by the thousands, why bring up just the Jehovah Witness bunch?

Originally posted by JS357
Oh, but their benefit is infinite and eternal, no?

World Population by Religion: http://www.wholesomewords.org/missions/greatc.html

Christian 2,199,817,400
Roman Catholics 1,121,516,000
Independents* 433,096,000
Protestants 381,811,000
Orthodox 233,146,000
Anglicans 82,586,000
Muslims 1,387,454,500
Hindus 875,726,000
Chinese uni ...[text shortened]... istoric, mainstream, organized, institutionalized, confessional, denominationalist Christianity.

And if you add the 2 billion or so Muslims, that makes almost 4 billion deluded people on the planet.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
its not the issue, but the way it was resolved, the process, central governing body
deciding matters of importance for the congregations.

I get that bit, it's this part i'm taking issue with -

"He does not advocate or insist on personal opinions or harbor private ideas when it comes to Bible understanding."

Seems a little totalitarian to me.