31 Aug 10
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Originally posted by galveston75Only one. Yes or no. One is enough.
Are you really serious? How many answers doe it take you to get it?
Just start with a yes or a no so the answer is clear. Then you can motivate as much as you want. Don't weave in the yes or no in a infinit tirade with words, just make it clear, a yes or a no. That is all.
The question is: Do I need to join the JWs to go to heaven?
So how is your answer? Yes or no?
31 Aug 10
Originally posted by galveston75Do you know what, I'm tired of chasing you for simple answers to simple questions about the JWs beliefs of the route to eternal life. Frankly you annoy and disappoint me in equal measure - my questions are totally straight forward, without hidden agenda and as a group claiming to know the whole truth you should be able to answer with complete ease and confidence to the inquiring lost soul.
Whew....Finally. Anyway are you speaking of a burning hell of some type or of just being dead in the grave forever? I need to know what your speaking of...Thanks.
Your continued obfuscation is reflective of the nature of all the 'mystery' religions of Babylon, 'clouds without rain' and offering a 'form of religion' but lacking the redemptive power needed to give hope and deliverance to a desperate world. Be satisfied with your claimed 'persecution', safe in the knowledge that in merely being so darned annoying to those around you, you are building your imaginary little kingdom...somewhere...!
01 Sep 10
Originally posted by Rajk999The JW's called the place prepared for these old testament saints Beth Sarim. It means houses of the princes as Judge Rutherford believed in the imminent return of Issac and Jacob and other old testament prophets.
Im not arguing. In any case you have lost every discussion so far.
Is it not true that the JWs believe that Abraham, Issac and Jacob and other prophets returned in 1925 (or some other date) and will stay on the Earth. They will not be among those reigning in heaven with Christ. Although many JWs will be reigning with Christ.
Actually the Watchtower organisation built a huge complex/house to accomodate them aroun 1925 and the prophecy failed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beth_Sarim
Manny
PS: Very bizarre but G-75 you have to look at the history of your organization. This would be my number one reason why I could never become a JW. Take a step back and research this for yourself.
01 Sep 10
Originally posted by galveston75While I like and agree with you to some point there are some questions in which there is only YES or NO. Or if YES one must reason thus or if NO one must reason contrary to the first is all.
An interesting note sent to me: Dear reader, it seems to me that there are many on the forum, who, seem to be consumed with asking view point questions and then demanding a 'yes or no answer'. Gentle reader i pause for a moment and ask you to consider the mentality behind such a phenomena. Does it strike you that a person that is interested in reason s ...[text shortened]... ng to the senses and their imagination, urging them to utilise their powers of reasoning...
Manny
01 Sep 10
Originally posted by menace71Well sorry to disappoint you so much but I refuse to give a simple yes or no answer if the issue being talked about does no warrent it. I'm not on trail here for anything and I'm tired of you and the others implicating I am. Get over it and don't ask questions if you don't like what you hear... Very child like of all of you and your all acting like a lench mob. Grow up Manny and stop following the crowd. Your too smart for that....
While I like and agree with you to some point there are some questions in which there is only YES or NO. Or if YES one must reason thus or if NO one must reason contrary to the first is all.
Manny
01 Sep 10
Well I'm not attacking you personally except in the sense of your ideas/concepts your post that you put in the forum. So if you went to someones door and they asked you these questions or asked for yes or no answers what would you do G-75? I would hope that if you did not have answer you would be honest enough to say I don't know.
You post something it will be challenged.
Manny
01 Sep 10
Originally posted by menace71Well I've never had that happen or have heard of it so it seems your streaching this silly thought out.
Well I'm not attacking you personally except in the sense of your ideas/concepts your post that you put in the forum. So if you went to someones door and they asked you these questions or asked for yes or no answers what would you do G-75? I would hope that if you did not have answer you would be honest enough to say I don't know.
You post something it will be challenged.
Manny
So many important and good spiritual things that we could be discussing but you guys are stuck on "yes or no"...Geeez!
01 Sep 10
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LOL ok.....Well then it's happening to you in this forum. You were asked Yes or No on does one have to become a JW to be saved? It seems you reluctantly answered No.
If No then: ????
Do you see why some questions have to at least have a yes or no answer to them?
If you answer No then fine but then you can reason on why you said no.
If you say No because only God knows ones heart or some answer like that then fine but sometimes a question is as simple as a yes or no. It really is that way in the real world. As a matter of fact Jesus said "Let your yes be yes and your no be no and anything beyond this is evil"
Manny
01 Sep 10
Originally posted by menace71Whatever Manny..... First "no" with no explination and "yes" with no explination but then it's ok to explain but only if they want it...... Lol. Totally waisting my time here.
LOL ok.....Well then it's happening to you in this forum. You were asked Yes or No on does one have to become a JW to be saved? It seems you reluctantly answered No.
If No then: ????
Do you see why some questions have to at least have a yes or no answer to them?
If you answer No then fine but then you can reason on why you said no.
If you say No ...[text shortened]... esus said "Let your yes be yes and your no be no and anything beyond this is evil"
Manny
01 Sep 10
Originally posted by menace71Yes it's not a good day but that's no ones problem here. The sillyness just gets old.
Sounds like your angry today.
I understand no really I do. 🙂
Hang in there man put it all into perspective it's just a forum on a chess site.
Manny
I'll be back in a few days........
02 Sep 10
Originally posted by menace71Your patience demonstrated here is undeserved. The question "Do I have to become a JW in order to be saved?" can only be a "yes" or "no" answer; it can be qualified afterwards of course.
LOL ok.....Well then it's happening to you in this forum. You were asked Yes or No on does one have to become a JW to be saved? It seems you reluctantly answered No.
If No then: ????
Do you see why some questions have to at least have a yes or no answer to them?
If you answer No then fine but then you can reason on why you said no.
If you say No ...[text shortened]... esus said "Let your yes be yes and your no be no and anything beyond this is evil"
Manny
Galveston has answered "no you don't have to become a JW in order to be saved".
So therefore, what is the point of the JWs as an organisation? And why would God given THEM all truth when there are other routes to heaven?
ANY religious organisation that cannot or will not answer these simple pivotal questions has got to be either hiding something, or by definition - be irrelevant.
It's not a difficult concept.
02 Sep 10
Originally posted by divegeesterBut your missing many, many points that scriptures speaks of such things as "only he that is doing the "WILL" of God will be saved" or the commands from Jesus to "preach the Good news of the Kingdom earth wide" or "to be no part of the world". All your arguments and answers never touch on these points and what they mean and they are very important issues that God requires of one to possible be saved.
Your patience demonstrated here is undeserved. The question "Do I have to become a JW in order to be saved?" can only be a "yes" or "no" answer; it can be qualified afterwards of course.
[b]Galveston has answered "no you don't have to become a JW in order to be saved".
So therefore, what is the point of the JWs as an organisation? And why wou ...[text shortened]... r hiding something, or by definition - be irrelevant.
It's not a difficult concept.[/b]
My turn to ask you a question and it's not just a yes or no answer. So your allowed to explain, so focus on this one question...
If we are required to do nothing but have faith in Jesus and we're saved by doing just that, why did Jesus say what he did at Matt 24:14 & Matt 28:19 if we really don't have to do what he said? Did he ever say his death would cancel out that command?
I'll be waitng for your responce.....
02 Sep 10
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Originally posted by galveston75So you lied. You have repeatedly said in other threads that only JWs do the will of God, therefore the truthful answer to Divegeester question is YES, you have to be a JW to get to heaven.
But your missing many, many points that scriptures speaks of such things as "only he that is doing the "WILL" of God will be saved" or the commands from Jesus to "preach the Good news of the Kingdom earth wide" or "to be no part of the world". All your arguments and answers never touch on these points and what they mean and they are very important issues say his death would cancel out that command?
I'll be waitng for your responce.....
There is only one reason to lie. You are ashamed to admit you are part of an organisation which hold such ridiculous beliefs.
02 Sep 10
Originally posted by Rajk999Lol...
So you lied. You have repeatedly said in other threads that only JWs do the will of God, therefore the truthful to Divegeester question is YES, you have to be a JW to get to heaven.
There is only one reason to lie. You are ashamed to admit you are part of an organisation which hold such ridiculous beliefs.