09 Sep 19
@kellyjay saidYes , you have repeatedly lied on these forums .
You make assertions here; you have called me a liar that is an assertion, so that wasn't true. You have said my statements have no basis in reality while claiming you have no knowledge. That begs the question how do you know what is not valid if you have no idea what the truth is? So you assert and claim you do not know, all the while you claim to know when the truth is not ...[text shortened]... spoken. I'm not sure you know what truth is, you seem to be in conflict with yourself more than me.
Yes, most of your lies have no basis in reality .
I do not know the exact composition of the Moon , but I do know it is not made of cheese .
@caissad4 saidWell, tell me one of my lies if you would. You don't know the exact composition of the moon, but you know enough to say it isn't made of cheese. You have to know something about the subject to understand what is true or not, again knowing nothing puts you in a weak place to cast an opinion one way or another about any topic. You have now shown you have made assertions while denying you did. I wonder how you will do with bringing up something I have lied about?
Yes , you have repeatedly lied on these forums .
Yes, most of your lies have no basis in reality .
I do not know the exact composition of the Moon , but I do know it is not made of cheese .
09 Sep 19
@kellyjay saidAnd you know nothing about the existence or nonexistence of any god but you keep insisting that your unsubstantiated opinions somehow are somehow valid .
You have to know something about the subject to understand what is true or not, again knowing nothing puts you in a weak place to cast an opinion one way or another about any topic.
The only person I know of who lies more than you is Donald Dump .
09 Sep 19
@sonship
The creation myth is just paved over Egyptian creation myth much older and repaved for Jewish consumption. Just one of a number of creation myths in Egypt ATT.
The fact billions of people believe it says mainly things about how gullible humans are to actually swallow such obvious BS. Just like the Noah myth of the world wide flood.
The only world wide flood happened 700 odd million years ago when there was the 'snowball' Earth sussed out by scientists.
I presume at some point the ice was water before it froze and possibly covering the Earth but their was no animal life forms back then, only bacterial mats and some plant life.
There was for a hundred million years or so ice covering most of the planet back then but that is the nearest thing Earth ever had in the way of WW flood.
Besides the idea that an infinitely powerful god would eliminate all land life to off some bad humans leaving only the Ark and 8 or so humans and reproducing pairs which is BS because the presently known genetic diversity would have been bonkers if all land animals had gone down to one reproducing pair.
Too bad the story tellers of the bible didn't know about genetics, they might have come up with a better horror plot.
The REALLY pathetic part is ANY human believing that nonsense.
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09 Sep 19
@kellyjay saidI am open to the fact that 'if' God does exist nothing I say or do can change that. The whole point of our recent discussions is to get you to understand that this goes the other way as well. 'If' God does not exist (and that could very well be the truth of the matter) nothing 'you' say or believe will change that.
I have to be open to the possibility God doesn't exist, can you be open to the possibility that He does? I think it would be very difficult to prove something against what we believe we know to be true. So any change of mind by anyone is something.
And what's more, if the 'actual truth' (whether we like it or not) is that Brahma created everything, nothing we say or believe will change that either.
09 Sep 19
@caissad4 saidAnother assertion what I believe and know are either true or not, stating my beliefs or opinions don’t turn me into a liar if I am wrong. A lie is stating something you know is false, like claiming you don’t make assertions while making them. Unless you failed to realize that was what you were doing.
And you know nothing about the existence or nonexistence of any god but you keep insisting that your unsubstantiated opinions somehow are somehow valid .
The only person I know of who lies more than you is Donald Dump .
09 Sep 19
@ghost-of-a-duke saidI agree and I don’t believe at any point did I say or hint otherwise.
I am open to the fact that 'if' God does exist nothing I say or do can change that. The whole point of our recent discussions is to get you to understand that this goes the other way as well. 'If' God does not exist (and that could very well be the truth of the matter) nothing 'you' say or believe will change that.
And what's more, if the 'actual truth' (whether we ...[text shortened]... ike it or not) is that Brahma created everything, nothing we say or believe will change that either.
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The creation myth is just paved over Egyptian creation myth much older and repaved for Jewish consumption. Just one of a number of creation myths in Egypt ATT.
Well, sonshouse, I think that is bluster. But quote for me a few lines of another ancient creation story which says TIME and SPACE were created by a deity outside of them such as it says in Genesis 1:1
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth"
Remember - your sample should show that prior or transcendent to time and space a Creator brought them into existence.
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sonhouse cont.
The fact billions of people believe it says mainly things about how gullible humans are to actually swallow such obvious BS. Just like the Noah myth of the world wide flood.
I learned a long time ago not to mistake simplicity for naivete.
Elements of the account have a simplicity to it.
I do [not] automatically regard that as naivete or an appeal to gullible masses.
Besides, Jesus Christ apparently believed it. And the integrity of Jesus is to me above questioning.
The only world wide flood happened 700 odd million years ago when there was the 'snowball' Earth sussed out by scientists.
So you are inching closer towards the matter then in previous years.
Perhaps someday you'll come right up to agreeing even more so with the biblical account. Stay tuned.
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sonhouse,
I presume at some point the ice was water before it froze and possibly covering the Earth but their was no animal life forms back then, only bacterial mats and some plant life.
Perhaps you poo pooed the story entirely in earlier days of skepticism. Today, you have decided the plausibility of SOMETHING like it. Maybe in the future with more study you'll decide "You know, it may have been like the Bible tells us."
Catastrophy theories abound today of all types much more than when I was a youth. Comets, poison gas from the ocean, killer meteors, volcanic chaos, extinctions here and there, etc.
There seem to be more theories like this today then when I first heard about Genesis 60 years ago.
Anyway, I came to the Old Testament secondarily by first having Jesus secure my trust. If it was good for Jesus, it must be good. That's the approach I have. The honesty, intelligence, and integrity of Jesus are above reproach to me.
You mentioned genetics intermixed with your insults to believers of the Bible.
In your next post maybe you can explain with a paragraph or so how these laws of genetics came about without intelligent design of any kind.
ps. how's your music doing ?
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09 Sep 19
@kellyjay saidGetting you to agree to that was like pulling teeth.
I agree and I don’t believe at any point did I say or hint otherwise.
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09 Sep 19
@sonship saidI don't recall you ever asking me that question, but then I do have a tendency to speed read your epistles.
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Getting you to agree to that was like pulling teeth.
Do mean something like me getting you to answer ? -
If scientists do not understand everything is that a justifiable reason to disbelieve in God?
Science has shown enough to rule out the likelihood of a deity.