A Greater Work than Creation

@kellyjay said
Give me something you are using to reject the notion God created everything and then made life, how do you know?

@galveston75

Have you forgotten that the first and last issue was discussed pretty seriously a while back? That's why I don't always answer questions that we've already discussed. It get's old my friend.

Galveston what is old and badly failed is that Christians received Michael the archangel in their being begotten of God.

"But as many as received Him, to them He gave the authority to become children of God, to those who believe into His name,

Who were begotten not of blood,
nor of the will of the flesh,
not of the will of man,
but of God." John (1:12,13)

@galveston75

Have you never considered that the term "the first and the last" might just apply to them both?

They would have different meanings,

"Because out from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. To Him be the glory forever. Amen." (Rom. 11:36)

"And every creature which is in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea and all things in them, I heard saying,

To Him who sits upon the throne and to the Lamb be the blessing and the honor and the glory and the might forever and ever." (Rev. 5:13)

but that term is not just meant for one of them. But you have to understand what they are first, right?

"Thus says Jehovah ... I am the First and the Last, And apart from Me there is no god."

Here ya go:

“The Alpha and the Omega” refers to Jehovah God, the Almighty. This term occurs three times in the Bible.​—Revelation 1:8; 21:6; 22:13. *

Why does God call himself “the Alpha and the Omega”?

"Behold, HE COMES with the clouds, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the land will mourn over Him. ..."[/b]

"And a voice came out from the throne saying, Praise OUR God, all His slaves and those who fear Him, the small and the great." (Rev. 19:5)

"But of the Son, Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, ... therefore God, Your God, has anointed You with the oil of exultant joy above Your partners." (See Hebrews 1:8,9)

"And the twenty-four elders and the four living creatures fell down and worshipped God, who sits upon the throne, ..." (Rev. 19:4)

Alpha and omega are the first and last letters of the alphabet in Greek,

"In Him was life, and the life was the light of men." (John 1:4)

"the last Adam [Christ] became a life giving Spirit" (1 Cor. 15:45b)

the language used to write the part of the Bible commonly called the New Testament, which includes the book of Revelation. The respective positions of these letters in the Greek alphabet are used to illustrate that Jehovah alone is the beginning and the end. (Revelation 21:6) He was Almighty God in the infinite past, and he will continue to be Almighty God forever. He is the only one who is “from everlasting to everlasting.”​—Psalm 90:2.

" ... O Bethlehem, Ephrathah, So little to be among the thousands of Judah, From you there will come forth to Me He who is to be Ruler of Israel;

his goings forth are from ancient times, From the days of eternity." (Micah 5:2)

Who is “the first and the last”?

The Bible applies this term both to Jehovah God and to his Son, Jesus, but with different meanings. Consider two examples.

At Isaiah 44:6, Jehovah says: “I am the first and I am the last. There is no God but me.” Here Jehovah highlights that he is the everlasting true God; besides him, there is no other. (Deuteronomy 4:​35, 39) In this case, then, the expression “the first and the last” has the same meaning as “the Alpha and the Omega.”

Additionally, the term “the First [pro’tos, not alpha] and the Last [e’skha·tos, not omega]” occurs at Revelation 1:​17, 18 and 2:8. In these verses, the context shows that the one referred to died and later returned to life.

@sonship said
@galveston75

Have you forgotten that the first and last issue was discussed pretty seriously a while back? That's why I don't always answer questions that we've already discussed. It get's old my friend.

Don't bluff me.
Don't bluff me with a yawn.

I answered your questions quite directly I think.
I did not say "O, that again? That is so OLD, so add ...[text shortened]... for more proof that Michael the archangel is the one I received when I received Jesus into my heart.

@kellyjay said
Unfounded, and you only have another assertion! Give me something you are using to reject the notion God created everything and then made life, how do you know? There has to be something outside maybe someone else created it?

@caissad4 said
I assert that I do not know .
I further assert that you do not know.
I don't know how to say this any other way, but you seem to be saying "Lalalalalala goddidit " . You have your belief, but have zero actual proof . The "god of the gaps " is your savior and you are welcome to it .

@galveston75

I could show you all the proof in the world on any spiritual subject but if you're not wanting to see it, you won't because Jehovah will not let you....

Galveston,

Three questions for you. Can you answer them?

1.) If someone becomes a Jehovah's Witness are they REQUIRED to believe in 1919 Joseph Rutherford was chosen to be God's mouthpiece?

2.) At this point right now what do you teach will happen to me at Armageddon?

3.) Are you allowed to treat your unbelieving family members who are not Jehovah's Witnesses the same as believing ones? Or do you have to by requirement shun them?

And you may ask me anything about the fellowship I have with the local churches.

@kellyjay said
If you don’t know on what are you going to that shows you anyone else does not know? You have to have some reason for you to work it out and come to any conclusions. I have not offered you anything resembling gaps I have brought up two specific things with cause; however, you bring up you don’t know and assume that is a reasonable accretion or justification for your opinion.

@sonship said
Galveston,

Three questions for you. Can you answer them?

1.) If someone becomes a Jehovah's Witness are they REQUIRED to believe in 1919 Joseph Rutherford was chosen to be God's mouthpiece?

2.) At this point right now what do you teach will happen to me at Armageddon?

3.) Are you allowed to treat your unbelieving family members who are no ...[text shortened]... ment shun them?

And you may ask me anything about the fellowship I have with the local churches.

@galveston75

Try to stay on the subject.

@sonship Thanks for stopping for lengths sake. Whew!!!


"Your organization is in rebellion. You reject worship forever and ever of the Triune God - of Him on the throne and the Lamb the Redeemer God-man.
You are in rebellion."

Well yes we are. We have cleaned house so to say with all the paganistic teachings and doctrines that the churches still hang on too. So yes we've changed and have rid ourselves of what is not biblical, have nothing to do with the politics of the world, will not fight in mans wars and do all we can to do exactly as Jesus said.
So sorry buddy you have an issue with those things. It is not you are anyone here that we are trying to impress or be friends with or slink down into submission because of the pressure you and others would like to put on ones who have rejected your false teachings.

@caissad4

Is it me or do I perceive that you evade my questions toward you as a habit?

Here's one that should be a simple one for you?

Are you free to decide what you believe? Or is what you believe of no credit to you but completely have to do interactions of atoms and molecules in the gray matter of your brain ?

Take a moment from Kellyjay and handle that on for us please.

@sonship said
@caissad4

Is it me or do I perceive that you evade my questions toward you as a habit?

It is you .


Are you free to decide what you believe?

To a degree yes and to a degree no.

Or is what you believe of no credit to you but completely have to do interactions of atoms and molecules in the gray matter of your brain ?

To a degree yes and to a degree no .