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I believe the creation of the universe out of nothing was truly a great work of God. But greater then this was His humbling Himself to a lower status in incarnation to become a man.
The steps God took long after creation to become one of us and walk among us we, I think, and even more astounding work of God.
@sonship saidYou mean that thing where god sacrificed himself to himself to save mankind from himself ?
I believe the creation of the universe out of nothing was truly a great work of God. But greater then this was His humbling Himself to a lower status in incarnation to become a man.
The steps God took long after creation to become one of us and walk among us we, I think, and even more astounding work of God.
That is more astounding rubbish from the New Testament .
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The successive steps that Christ took in incarnation are seen in Philippians chapter two.
Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus. (v.5)
Who, existing in the form of God, did not consider being equal with God a treasure to be grasped, (v.6)
But emptied Himself, taking the form of a slave, becoming in the likeness of men; (v.7)
And being found in fashion as a man, He humbled Himself, becoming obedient even unto death, and that the death of a cross. (v.8)
How many steps do you count there? Each step was a voluntary step of the Almighty God humbling Himself in love to stoop to save us. What a Savior.
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@sonship saidAnd more astounding rubbish from the New Testament .
The successive steps that Christ took in incarnation are seen in Philippians chapter two.
[quote] [b] Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus. (v.5)
Who, existing in the form of God, did not consider being equal with God a treasure to be grasped, (v.6)
But emptied Himself, taking the form of a slave, becoming in the likeness of men; (v.7)
And bein ...[text shortened]... s a voluntary step of the Almighty God humbling Himself in love to stoop to save us. What a Savior.
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You mean thing that god sacrificed himself to himself to save mankind from himself ?
I don't think it is rubbish that there is an Ultimate Rightness - a maximal "Person". And that this Ultimate Rightness has a plan that in case our free will go against God He has a way that we could be saved from that.
When I think on it, it seems not to unlikely at all. And plus the fact that history contains an astounding personality that manifested this highest level of goodness.
All the skeptic can do is bury her head in the sand and try to convince herself that no such Person ever walked the earth and spoke to us.
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@sonship saidWhat is astounding to me is that any reasonably sane and intelligent person could actually believe this rubbish you are spreading around .
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You mean thing that god sacrificed himself to himself to save mankind from himself ?
I don't think it is rubbish that there is an Ultimate Rightness - a maximal "Person". And that this Ultimate Rightness has a plan that in case our free will go against God He has a way that we could be saved from that.
When I think on it, it seems not to ...[text shortened]... d in the sand and try to convince herself that no such Person ever walked the earth and spoke to us.
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Think on it people.
An ultimate righteousness.
A creature with free will that MAY go another way if it wants.
A loving plan to rescue that decision if one chooses to be saved.
It is not rubbish as she said.
It is a God of love who is nonetheless a God of Perfect.
And we are not created robots but have a choice to go with Him or go without Him alone.
It is not just a philosophy. It is words out of the mouth of a Person like no other who lived and walked the earth.
If man is the measure of all things, what other man better qualifies to be that measure ?
Names?
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What is astounding to me is that any reasonably sane and intelligent person could actually believe this rubbish you are spreading around .
Well, thankyou for considering me at least a "reasonably sane and intelligent person."
That may not be a bad place to start. For some two thousand years some other reasonably and saner and frankly quite a bit more gifted intellectually, then both of us, have believed the Gospel and spread it .
Do you think that the most ultimate and important truths about life can only be obtained by the super intelligent? Wouldn't that be very elitist of you to think not so gifted intellectual persons would have to lose out to super smart guys like you?
I think your way is much more narrow then "Whosoever believes ..."
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You mean thing that god sacrificed himself to himself to save mankind from himself ?
That is more astounding rubbish from the New Testament .
God has a way in which He can look upon you as if you never sinned.
It is not that God overlooked your transgressions against His law. It is that He has a offer, He JUDGES THEM in His Son on His cross.
Think of the offer. You were not overlooked. You were JUDGED ... in the Son of God. He will not go back on His promise. He can accomplish "an eternal redemption" on behalf of us all.
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@sonship saidUltimate righteousness , ultimate righteousness . You are slightly deluded .
Think on it people.
An ultimate righteousness.
A creature with free will that MAY go another way if it wants.
A loving plan to rescue that decision if one chooses to be saved.
It is not rubbish as she said.
It is a God of love who is nonetheless a God of Perfect.
And we are not created robots but have a choice to go with Him or go without Him alone.
It i ...[text shortened]... f man is the measure of all things, what other man better qualifies to be that measure ?
Names?
You personally endorse rape , murder , slavery , genocide , incest , misogyny and a host many other crimes through your "righteous god " . I retract my statement that you are reasonably sane . I was mistaken .
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Galveston75, are you there?
Philippians that Christ did not regard equality with God a treasure to be grasped.
Does that mean it was a treasure that He DID NOT have?
Or does it mean the it was a treasure He HAD but relinquished from grasping?
"[Christ Jesus] Who existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God a treasure to be grasped. " (v.6)
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@sonship saidOh my....... So Almighty God died huh? So if he did, who resurrected him? Himself? You say he was dead. How is it possible that God could actually die and then resurrect himself? But the bible says Jesus died, not God ( Jehovah ) anywhere. If you think it does show me that scripture. Did Jesus not ask his Father ( Jehovah ) that "if it was his will to remove this cup" ( of death ) from him? So did Jesus ask himself to remove the death that he knew was coming? Did he answer himself?
I believe the creation of the universe out of nothing was truly a great work of God. But greater then this was His humbling Himself to a lower status in incarnation to become a man.
The steps God took long after creation to become one of us and walk among us we, I think, and even more astounding work of God.
Psalms says this about Jehovah:
Psalm 36:9, 9 "With you is the source of life;
By your light we can see light."
If all life comes from God (Jehovah), how did he give himself life again if he was dead?
So where was the holy spirit during this time? If that is also an actual God or is God, where was he? Did he die too? Did he get resurrected too? Why doesn't the Bible mention that the holy spirit died also and being resurrected?
It's because Jehovah did not die and never will die and could never die. Only Jesus died. He would never have been resurrected if it had not been for Jehovah who is the source of life, that Jesus lived again. Jesus is not his Father, Almighty God Jehovah.
Unbelievable.