A life saved from the madness

Originally posted by FMF
What exactly is achieved by telling a murderer 'the truth', and in so doing getting yourself murdered, and why would your God figure ~ who you claim knows your every thought ~ require your death in these circumstances?

Luke 12:7-9
New International Version (NIV)
7 Indeed, the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Don’t be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows.

8 “I tell you, whoever publicly acknowledges me before others, the Son of Man will also acknowledge before the angels of God. 9 But whoever disowns me before others will be disowned before the angels of God.

You love your life so much you would and have denied Him. I guess if
you have to ask this question, you've never had God in your life that
you'd see that your life isn't as important as your life in Christ is.
Kelly

Originally posted by FMF
At no point in my Christian years would I have had a moment's hesitation lying about my faith to a murderer or rapist in order to stop a violent crime against me or anyone else. Saying to a person threatening to kill me [or anyone else] "I don't believe in God" in order to prevent the murder would not have actually meant that I didn't believe in God.

I believe you.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
You love your life so much you would and have denied Him. I guess if
you have to ask this question, you've never had God in your life that
you'd see that your life isn't as important as your life in Christ is.

Lying about yourself or your beliefs to a person threatening to murder you is not "denying" Christ. Lying about yourself or your beliefs to a mass murderer would not affect your actual beliefs at all and it would not affect your God figure.

Originally posted by KellyJay
I believe you.

Would you lie about your religion or religious beliefs to a psychopath, who broke into your house with the intent to murder you and your family if you gave the "wrong answer", in order to save your wife and children?

Originally posted by FabianFnas
Okay, thanks for the information.

However, has this anything to do with the girl presented in the OP in the article link?
No? Then why do you think it is relevant?

To get back on-topic... On-topic it is.

You think it is okay to let a girl die because of the parents religion? I don't.
You think that the doctors did wrong by saving the girl back ...[text shortened]... n't have the choice.

And again I repeat: Religion kills. And you think it's alright. I don't.

its relevant to a statement that you made and continue to make and that has been proven to be demonstrably erroneous.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
its relevant to a statement that you made and continue to make and that has been proven to be demonstrably erroneous.

And that statement is...?

Originally posted by FMF
Lying about yourself or your beliefs to a person threatening to murder you is not "denying" Christ. Lying about yourself or your beliefs to a mass murderer would not affect your actual beliefs at all and it would not affect your God figure.

Lying to avoid telling someone you belong to Christ is denying Him. As I
said you have done this, you are doing it now. You didn't even need
anyone to threaten you or your family.
Kelly

Originally posted by FMF
Would you lie about your religion or religious beliefs to a psychopath, who broke into your house with the intent to murder you and your family if you gave the "wrong answer", in order to save your wife and children?

I would not deny Jesus Christ, God is my shield and great reward. Jesus
saved me and my family. In this life we are not promised tomorrow, and
no man not even a psychopath can give me tomorrow.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Lying to avoid telling someone you belong to Christ is denying Him. As I
said you have done this, you are doing it now. You didn't even need
anyone to threaten you or your family.

Well, I am not a Christian,if that is what you mean. You are not answering my question: what is achieved by telling a 'truth' to a psychopath or a murderer and so getting yourself or your family murdered?

Originally posted by KellyJay
I would not deny Jesus Christ, God is my shield and great reward. Jesus
saved me and my family. In this life we are not promised tomorrow, and
no man not even a psychopath can give me tomorrow.

Lying to a murderous psychopath by saying you "deny Jesus Christ" does not actually mean you "deny Jesus Christ".

Originally posted by FMF
Lying to a murderous psychopath by saying you "deny Jesus Christ" does not actually mean you "deny Jesus Christ".

It doesn't get any clearer that this, and you still deny the very words that
are coming out of your mouth. You deny Christ to save your life I don't care
who you are talking to, psychopath or not, you've denied Christ.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
It doesn't get any clearer that this, and you still deny the very words that
are coming out of your mouth. You deny Christ to save your life I don't care
who you are talking to, psychopath or not, you've denied Christ.

So for you "denying Christ" is not about whether you "deny Christ" in your heart, it's just about words you say or don't say out loud?

Originally posted by FMF
So for you "denying Christ" is not about whether you "deny Christ" in your heart, it's just about words you say or don't say out loud?

Read the very words you are using!
If you deny Christ in your hear, you are denying Christ in your heart.
If you deny Christ in your words, you are denying Christ with your words.

From one who has denied Christ, why do you care, you do it and brag
about it here!
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Read the very words you are using!
If you deny Christ in your hear, you are denying Christ in your heart.
If you deny Christ in your words, you are denying Christ with your words.

If you "deny Christ" in your words [for the specific reasons being discussed] it does not mean you "deny Christ" with your heart. Surely we can agree, at least, on this.

Originally posted by FMF
If you "deny Christ" in your words [for the specific reasons being discussed] it does not mean you "deny Christ" with your heart. Surely we can agree, at least, on this.

Did you see an exception about where it is okay to deny Christ in scripture?
Kelly