A question of honesty

Originally posted by divegeester
I have reflected overnight on your claim (as a Christian) that I (as a fellow Christian) should be, in fact I "deserve to be" thrown into the lake of fire and burnt for eternity because I refuse to believe in the doctrine of eternal torture.

As you are clearly passionate about this doctrine and sincerely believe in it, I can only stand lost for word ...[text shortened]... the Christian faith ever posted in this forum.

And some wonder why the lost mock Christians.

The way I see it is that you have been schooled on the doctrine of everlasting torment. And you refuse to believe Jesus for Jesus says there is an eternal punishment in hell just as there is everlasting life in heaven.

"And these shall go away into everlasting punishment; but the righteous into life eternal."

(Matthew 25:46)

Originally posted by RJHinds
The way I see it is that you have been schooled on the doctrine of everlasting torment. And you refuse to believe Jesus for Jesus says there is an eternal punishment in hell just as there is everlasting life in heaven.

"Schooled by Jesus" Are you suggesting your opinion on eternal suffering is as authoritative as Jesus'?

Originally posted by FMF
divegeester complains that he gets abused for challenging Christians on eternal suffering and RJHinds and galveston75 make vicious attacks on him. He asks why not one single Christian here lifts a finger in his defence. JS357 suggests two possibilities: that believers in eternal damnation are more strident than disbelievers in it, and/or all the Christians here ...[text shortened]... ivegeester are "trolls". So, do you suspect that RJHinds and galveston75 are Christian "trolls"?

@FMF "I pan for gold in the Spirituality Forum's babbling brook. But I've had to keep my day job thus far."

Originally posted by divegeester
It was sonship who said (in another thread) that if one discards the doctrine of eternal suffering one must discard the whole bible. FMF is just quoting him. I don't accept the doctrine of eternal punishment nor that the entire bible should be discarded even if one does reject any doctrine.

Sonship is concrete in his somewhat strange views on this and ...[text shortened]... whole Christian perspective to be rather strange now these beliefs he holds have been revealed.

The doctrines of everlasting punishment for unbelievers and eternal life for believers are not strange beliefs to Christians. And I believe sonship already clarified what he meant by other worlds and he did not mean that there are people on other planets as you seem to think.

Originally posted by divegeester
"Schooled by Jesus" Are you suggesting your opinion on eternal suffering is as authoritative as Jesus'?

And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

(Matthew 28:18 NASB)

It is you that does not believe in the authority of Jesus, not me.

"But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

(Revelation 21:8)

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
You're more than welcome. I note with interest the reference to Galveston Texas in your site profile. The origin of your nickname I imagine. Visited there several times during our six years in Houston. Several years later we had occasion to visit Vancouver, Washington on regional business travel during our career related relocation to Sacramento; our em ...[text shortened]... nd, Oregon. I empathize with your family's medical challenges having had a recent one of my own.

Yep born at Corpus Christi but raised at Galveston 1 block from the beach. It's beautiful here in the NW but really miss my island.

Originally posted by divegeester
Responses to your questions/comments:

1) it is not my fault that your membership of your religious movement clouds your judgement. You need to recognise that it is not acceptable to accuse non members or people who criticise you with being in cohorts with the Devil. It really doesn't do you any favours.

2) as I've said more times than I care to re ...[text shortened]... I do or do not promote in no way justifies you abusing me with the horrible insults you employ.

1) Your opinion only. Nothing by the WTS has my mind clouded.

2) Being a Christian is not private but something one should be doing daily in their work that they should be doing publicly in the ministry to spread the teching of Jesus just as he did. If your not doing this, why not? Are you embarresed to do it? It's not easy as we have the door slamed in our face everyday just as Jesus had happen to him.

3) I'm not abusing you in any way, just stating what I see which is a loving Christian attitude serioulsy laking.

Originally posted by galveston75
Yep born at Corpus Christi but raised at Galveston 1 block from the beach. It's beautiful here in the NW but really miss my island.

One of our visits to Galveston was during August which is one of if not the hottest months in and around Houston.
We went swimming and then found a small family owned and operated Italian Restaurant along the boardwalk.
It was incredibly authentic cuisine and memorable. How do you like all the rainy days in Washington?

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
One of our visits to Galveston was during August which is one of if not the hottest months in and around Houston.
We went swimming and then found a small family owned and operated Italian Restaurant along the boardwalk.
It was incredibly authentic cuisine and memorable. How do you like all the rainy days in Washington?

My favorite was Sept. Most of the crazyness of tourist were gone and the beach was all mine!!!!! 🙂

Are you still in Houston?

The first few days of rain are ok but after a few months, nope!

Originally posted by galveston75
Yep born at Corpus Christi but raised at Galveston 1 block from the beach. It's beautiful here in the NW but really miss my island.

I went down the steps to the beach at Galveston when I visited my cousins as a young teenager when they lived there in the 1950s. But that was before I learned to swim.

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
@FMF "I pan for gold in the Spirituality Forum's babbling brook. But I've had to keep my day job thus far."

You suggested that divegeester might be getting "trolled" by fellow Christians. Does this mean you are suggesting to him that RJHinds and galveston75 are just being "trolls"?

Originally posted by galveston75 to divegeester
I'm not abusing you in any way, just stating what I see which is a loving Christian attitude serioulsy laking.

You are not abusing him "in any way"? Perhaps you need to take some personal responsibility for the words you post on this forum. You are claiming you did not abuse him "in any way"? And yet here is some of what you wrote in your post directed at divegeester:

Yeah before you slithered in and ruined it this forum was interesting ... you have taken over the spiritual forum with your Christian bashing which is as dangerous as satan himself ... Your clearly have no love for god or your fellow man ... it is clear you have a deep void full of hate and of non spirituality and as a result you are like satan ... you are a miserable human being ... you are only one tiny little human being with tiny little opinions. You are nothing more then a god hater knowing his days are numbered.

Originally posted by RJHinds
The doctrines of everlasting punishment for unbelievers and eternal life for believers are not strange beliefs to Christians. And I believe sonship already clarified what he meant by other worlds and he did not mean that there are people on other planets as you seem to think.

I don't believe sonship has retracted the statement but I'm happy to be corrected.

So how do you interpret sonship's statement;

The lost will be "hung in chains of eternal punishment as a warning to those on other worlds"

Originally posted by galveston75
1) Your opinion only. Nothing by the WTS has my mind clouded.

2) Being a Christian is not private but something one should be doing daily in their work that they should be doing publicly in the ministry to spread the teching of Jesus just as he did. If your not doing this, why not? Are you embarresed to do it? It's not easy as we have the door slamed ...[text shortened]... g you in any way, just stating what I see which is a loving Christian attitude serioulsy laking.

What you object to Galveston75, is me criticising your organisations beliefs and behaviours, such as the doctrine forbidding blood transfusions and the recent child abuse scandals.

You also object to to calling you out on your dishonest and abusive forum behaviour. Calling people "antichrist" and "as bad as satan" is not good forum etiquette, nor is it a good argument against my criticism.

I think you are also under the false impression that the occasional door knocking (an enforced exercise to expand your corporations membership), is in some way representative of spreading the gospel.

Originally posted by RJHinds
The way I see it is that you have been schooled on the doctrine of everlasting torment. And you refuse to believe Jesus for Jesus says there is an eternal punishment in hell...

"Schooled by Jesus" Are you suggesting your opinion on eternal suffering is as authoritative as Jesus'?