Spirituality
27 Sep 16
Originally posted by twhiteheadYour site says:
Correct. Think it through then run away in shame.
[b]Tip for the day: when you find yourself in a hole, quit digging.
Yes, you should have thought of that on page one. Now you are so deep down in that hole, you have no choice but to cover yourself in dirt and hide, or just keep digging forever. (aka Freaky).[/b]
Addiction is a condition that results when a person ingests a substance (e.g., alcohol, cocaine, nicotine) or engages in an activity (e.g., gambling, sex, shopping) that can be pleasurable but the continued use/act of which becomes compulsive and interferes with ordinary life responsibilities, such as work, relationships, or health.
Okay. So if you stop drinking, it follows that you aren't addicted anymore. edit: also, learn to control the habit so that it doesn't interfere with life and you are no longer addicted.
05 Oct 16
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkIn your thought exercise, is the person holding the gun sane, and is the person holding the gun willing to murder the alcoholic, and are they immune to any repercussions if they carry out the murder, and how long does the gunman stand there, and what action or event exactly will cause the gunman to pull the trigger, and, oh yes... and why are you seemingly not interested in talking about real, ordinary, flawed, weak, sick people who are alcoholics living real lives in the real world?
I am talking about a sane alcoholic at a time when they are not under the influence.
05 Oct 16
Originally posted by FMFI used a hypothetical example to demonstrate a point. And I think you already know what that point is but you are now just trying to take the piss. So go ahead and have fun.
In your thought exercise, is the person holding the gun sane, and is the person holding the gun willing to murder the alcoholic, and are they immune to any repercussions if they carry out the murder, and how long does the gunman stand there, and what action or event exactly will cause the gunman to pull the trigger, and, oh yes... and why are you seemingly not i ...[text shortened]... eal, ordinary, flawed, weak, sick people who are alcoholics living real lives in the real world?
05 Oct 16
Originally posted by FMFBy the way, I am not proposing that all alcoholics should have a gun pointed at their heads. I am arguing that addiction Involves an element of choice. If addiction had no element of choice then no alcoholic would ever be able to stop drinking.
I have asked you a few questions about your "hypothetical example".
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkI have come to the conclusion that you don't have the first idea about alcoholism or alcoholics, aside perhaps from some ludicrous Christian leaflet written by a boggle-eyed ideologue (with no more insight or common sense than you) that you may have read at some point, and that your repeated claims about "knowing" alcoholics - and knowing what they were going through and knowing what happened to them - are, at best, well meaning and earnest embellishments of a slightly Walter Mitty kind, and at worst a daft stew of online-disinhibition baloney, self-deception and elaborate delusions. I cite as Exhibit A: this entire thread. This is me being brutally honest with you and not taking the piss.
By the way, I am not proposing that all alcoholics should have a gun pointed at their heads. I am arguing that addiction Involves an element of choice. If addiction had no element of choice then no alcoholic would ever be able to stop drinking.
05 Oct 16
Originally posted by FMFTake any statement I have made on this thread and tell me exactly why you disagree with it. That would be being brutally honest.
I have come to the conclusion that you don't have the first idea about alcoholism or alcoholics, aside perhaps from some ludicrous Christian leaflet written by a boggle-eyed ideologue (with no more insight or common sense than you) that you may have read at some point, and that your repeated claims about "knowing" alcoholics - and knowing what they were going th ...[text shortened]... xhibit A: this entire thread. This is me being brutally honest with you and not taking the piss.
05 Oct 16
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkThe problem is that your grasp of the English language is poor. There is a distinction between something having an element of choice and that thing being a choice.
I am arguing that addiction Involves an element of choice. If addiction had no element of choice then no alcoholic would ever be able to stop drinking.
Chess has an element of choice. Chess in not a choice. Chess is a board game. You may choose to play chess or choose not to play chess. You may choose each of your moves in chess. But chess is still a board game not a choice.
An alcoholic may be successful in choosing to stop drinking (many do not so choose). But they are still alcoholics after they make that choice. I believe (I do not know the statistics) that many remain alcoholic for life. Alcoholism isn't the act of drinking, nor is it choosing to drink. Alcoholism isn't a choice nor is addiction. They are diseases.
Originally posted by apathistAgree that it should not be classified as a "disease". FWIW, addiction might best be understood as a maturity issue rather than simply as a "choice". What do you think of this concept?
The subject is complicated, but addiction is not a disease, it is not due to genetic flaw, it is not an act of the gods, and it is not inescapable.
Google the thread title.
Originally posted by twhiteheadA guy that suffers from cancer can't decide to stop having the symptoms of cancer because cancer is a desease. An alcoholic on the other hand can decide to never have a drink again. A person that doesn't drink can't technically be called an alcoholic, according to the dictionary definition of 'alcoholic'.
The problem is that your grasp of the English language is poor. There is a distinction between something having an element of choice and that thing being a choice.
Chess has an element of choice. Chess in not a choice. Chess is a board game. You may choose to play chess or choose not to play chess. You may choose each of your moves in chess. But chess is ...[text shortened]... ing, nor is it choosing to drink. Alcoholism isn't a choice nor is addiction. They are diseases.
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkMany cancers are curable, others can be physically removed.
A guy that suffers from cancer can't decide to stop having the symptoms of cancer because cancer is a desease.
Cancer may lead to secondary effects such as depression and suicide. These are decisions.
An alcoholic on the other hand can decide to never have a drink again.
But drinking isn't a primary symptom of alcoholism. The primary symptoms of alcoholism cannot be decided away.
A person that doesn't drink can't technically be called an alcoholic, according to the dictionary definition of 'alcoholic'.
Which dictionary may I ask?