22 Feb 11
Originally posted by Proper Knobactually nde and obe is not exclusive to christians.
My point is thus.
In controlled scientific studies people who had taken DMT experienced, and i quote Dr Strassman -
“typical” near-death and mystical states
granted, they were relatively rare, but they occurred. DMT is produced naturally in the human body, and in all mammals, the reason for this is unknown at the moment.
A dr ...[text shortened]... s as a more rational explanation of OBE's or NDE's than some Christian notion of an afterlife.
I can understand the tunnel of light as an example that can be duplicated through drugs. But not seeing what is going on in the operating room after the heart has stopped.
Or meeting past loved ones or family members they have never met then later identifying them in photos such as many children have in nde's.
Its really quite fascinating imo. The child nde's especially.
22 Feb 11
Originally posted by utherpendragonSo you were hoping that I would buy into your speculation about the supernatural and the afterlife because you assumed that my spiritual insight had been affected by taking hallucinogenic drugs? Is THAT what you mean?
It is common knowledge that most dead heads at some point have used hallucinogenics (and thats really the only way grateful dead music can be stomached IMO) and that has a tendency to open up a spiritual door. That is what I was referring too.
22 Feb 11
Originally posted by FMFAs I have already said, I am not trying to insult you.
Hostility? I have not been trying to insult you. I have not called you "dishonest" on this thread. Not even once.
For a person to "quote" someone falsely is dishonest.
If you are gonna quote me then do it. Dont make up things that I never said and act as if I did.
That is all.
22 Feb 11
Originally posted by FMFYou appear to me now,to be a Nihilist. Is this so?
So you were hoping that I would buy into your speculation about the supernatural and the afterlife because you assumed that my spiritual insight had been affected by taking hallucinogenic drugs? Is THAT what you mean?
22 Feb 11
Originally posted by utherpendragonI know very little about the phenomena, but as I stated earlier in the thread, I sometimes 'remember' past events in the third person. Usually when my knowledge of the event is based more on what I have heard, thought or seen in photos about the event since it took place than what I actually experienced. This includes events that I was not even present at.
Or meeting past loved ones or family members they have never met then later identifying them in photos such as many children have in nde's.
Its really quite fascinating imo. The child nde's especially.
I am guessing that something similar is at play in the NDE's. Of course it would have to be studied scientifically for any conclusive results to be drawn.
Do you have any well written reports of the kind you mention? Is there any evidence that the child accurately described the person in question prior to seeing the photo?
22 Feb 11
Originally posted by utherpendragonYou raised the topic of hallucinogenics. Please explain either (a) how hallucinogenics have informed your spirituality, or (b) how it is that hallucinogenics are supposed to help me understand your spirituality. I think you've snarled your way into a corner and tossed out a topic you can't follow through on in your haste to personalize your responses. Perhaps if you explain your reference to "hallucinogenics" and stop with the ad hominems, you can clear it all up?
As I have already said, I am not trying to insult you.
For a person to "quote" someone falsely is dishonest.
If you are gonna quote me then do it. Dont make up things that I never said and act as if I did.
That is all.
22 Feb 11
Originally posted by twhiteheadNot off hand, but i could search for them . Or you could if you are interested on the topic.
I know very little about the phenomena, but as I stated earlier in the thread, I sometimes 'remember' past events in the third person. Usually when my knowledge of the event is based more on what I have heard, thought or seen in photos about the event since it took place than what I actually experienced. This includes events that I was not even present at ...[text shortened]... vidence that the child accurately described the person in question prior to seeing the photo?
I am just going from several books I have read and videos I have seen (concerning child nde's). Personal testimonies and the such. It is possible they could be bogus but I doubt it seeing that there are so many similar cases coming from such a wide range of unrelated individuals over a wide range of years.
22 Feb 11
Originally posted by FMFI am through conversing with you FMF/John W. Booth until you can be civil.
Just explain your - now seemingly incoherent - reference to hallucinogenics and stop with the red herrings and attempted personal insults.
There is no "snarling" or "insulting" coming from my camp.
Misquote me all you want then base arguments upon the misquote, if that floats your boat. You win. 🙄
22 Feb 11
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Originally posted by utherpendragonSo what about the hallucinogenics? You brought them up.
I am through conversing with you FMF/John W. Booth until you can be civil.
There is no "snarling" or "insulting" coming from my camp.
Misquote me all you want then base arguments upon the misquote, if that floats your boat. You win.
There is no "snarling" or "insulting" coming from my camp.
Others will be the judge of that.
22 Feb 11
Originally posted by Hand of HecateSorry you got your feelings hurt.
Thanks to all for making this thread needlessly complicated and pretentious.
Also another big thanks for being so caught up in your own BS that you ignore questions and statements of others.
Way to go.
You know how much I love you. So cheer up old man. Better days are coming.
22 Feb 11
Originally posted by josephwI love you too sugar.
Sorry you got your feelings hurt.
You know how much I love you. So cheer up old man. Better days are coming.
I'm just amazed at the Spirituality Forum Formula that has evolved. It's like watching the monkey house at the zoo. Everywhere you look you have monkeys throwing poop at each other and playing with themselves.