Originally posted by SuzianneIts not even that, its simply a rather clumsy attempt to project values that the OP has not expressed.
Honest scrutiny is one thing. Preemptively calling another's beliefs "superstition" or worse, is not mere "honest scrutiny and debate", it's name-calling, and yeah, that is unnecessary.
And because of this, and certain posters' inclination to not show other's beliefs the tiniest scrap of respect (after all, everyone has beliefs, but to be called somehow ...[text shortened]... perhaps you didn't want any. Bad-mouthing people doesn't exactly make them want to engage you.
Originally posted by DeepThoughtI do believe people tend to try and find ways to make God work for them, but He doesn't.
A problem of time. I'd thought that the general notion is that the relevant time for divine forgiveness is after one dies. That seems to resolve the problem since it is difficult to commit sins after death. This also leaves one responsible for one's post baptismal behaviour.
As far as I can tell when the Pagans converted the kings would fight a ser ...[text shortened]... responsible for one's sins pre-conversion but that one is culpable for the sins committed after.
Originally posted by SuzianneDo you think the belief ~ that the "sins" you will commit in the future have somehow been preemptively forgiven as a result of what Jesus did ~ need not be debated because those "sins" have not been committed yet?
Honest scrutiny is one thing. Preemptively calling another's beliefs "superstition" or worse, is not mere "honest scrutiny and debate", it's name-calling, and yeah, that is unnecessary.
And because of this, and certain posters' inclination to not show other's beliefs the tiniest scrap of respect (after all, everyone has beliefs, but to be called somehow ...[text shortened]... perhaps you didn't want any. Bad-mouthing people doesn't exactly make them want to engage you.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieBut KellyJay has expressed these values on umpteen occasions for years here. I can hardly be said to be somehow projecting them onto him.
Its not even that, its simply a rather clumsy attempt to project values that the OP has not expressed.
Originally posted by karoly aczelScripturally speaking I'd point you to the verse below, we will be walking out our lives in
What nature?
our nature of being separated from our Divine scource?
one of two states, the default we find ourselves in is the flesh. Where it is basically always
all about us, with some sprinkled in places where we put others before ourselves.
Galatians 5:16
So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh.
Originally posted by KellyJayDoes God not know what sins you will commit in the future?
Can you be forgiven or even need to be for something you didn't do?
Once you do something then the need arises doesn't it, but until that time
there would be no need.
So the debate about being forgiven of all future sins seems a bit,
unnecessary to me since no one is a murderer until they murder.
Originally posted by checkbaiterI'd submit that for things that have not happen yet, its open ended unless you think that
Does God not know what sins you will commit in the future?
our lives are like a book and we are simply doing what was written without choice to
change. Since I believe God gave us the ability to make a choice it is up to us to make
them. Difficult to judge someone good or bad without the ability to do only one and not
the other. I do think He has every base covered no matter what.
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Originally posted by KellyJayIndeed, he has every base covered.
I'd submit that for things that have not happen yet, its open ended unless you think that
our lives are like a book and we are simply doing what was written without choice to
change. Since I believe God gave us the ability to make a choice it is up to us to make
them. Difficult to judge someone good or bad without the ability to do only one and not
the other. I do think He has every base covered no matter what.
Heb 10:10
By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
NKJV
Heb 10:12-14
But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God, 13 from that time waiting till His enemies are made His footstool. 14 For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.
NKJV
Originally posted by KellyJayDifficult to judge someone good or bad without the ability to
I'd submit that for things that have not happen yet, its open ended unless you think that
our lives are like a book and we are simply doing what was written without choice to
change. Since I believe God gave us the ability to make a choice it is up to us to make
them. Difficult to judge someone good or bad without the ability to do only one and not
the other. I do think He has every base covered no matter what.
See... you are still in the camp where we are judged by works, rather than through Jesus Christ as our substitute and sacrificial lamb.
Originally posted by checkbaiterJesus is my righteousness, but that doesn't mean that works are not apart of life.
[b]Difficult to judge someone good or bad without the ability to
See... you are still in the camp where we are judged by works, rather than through Jesus Christ as our substitute and sacrificial lamb.[/b]