Atheist Delusion

Originally posted by josephw
You're being subjectively silly. I've incurred some of the most virulent insults by those that think I think they should agree with me just because I said such and such, as has others of like faith.

You're under the illusion that because I said atheists are delusional that that is meant as an insult to any persons or individuals in particular in these for ...[text shortened]... creator doesn't exists based on the absolute absence of evidence is nothing short of delusional.

If you can't understand how calling someone delusional, mentally disturbed and a liar is personally insulting then shove it Joe, or link me to where i've ever delivered such a generalised insult to theists.

And your reasoning is absurd. If you truly understand that I've rationally concluded that a creator doesn't exist, how can I be described as a liar in this regards? And the only evidence you have is that the universe itself exists. You have nothing to link that to your fictional deity.

Originally posted by josephw
You're bleating irrationally cat. If one denies the existence of a creator, then one is delusional, constructing illogical reasons for why a creator doesn't exist without a shred of evidence to support that conclusion. Whereas there is every reason to know a creator exists based on the evidence provided by creation itself, not to mention one's conscience.

Oh do wind your neck in. I have seen your posting here over the years and you are not so stupid as to believe the garbage you are currently posting, you're just looking for a way to trigger responses from people who hold a viewpoint different from your own. Your tedious and childish assertion isn't even worthy of comment, let alone argument.

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
If you can't understand how calling someone delusional, mentally disturbed and a liar is personally insulting then shove it Joe, or link me to where i've ever delivered such a generalised insult to theists.

And your reasoning is absurd. If you truly understand that I've rationally concluded that a creator doesn't exist, how can I be described as ...[text shortened]... have is that the universe itself exists. You have nothing to link that to your fictional deity.

You're sounding like FMF now. I never called you a liar. Saying that you're lying to yourself within the context of telling yourself there is no God isn't the same thing as calling you a liar.

Why are you taking it so personally? Just because I said atheists are delusional about the existence of a creator?

As I told you before, there's no intent to insult, only an attempt to examine the thinking process that underpins the conclusion that there is no creator when in fact that conclusion is based on no evidence.

I think what is getting you so bent out of shape about it is because you know it's true. You and the others in this forum that deny the existence of a creator without a shred of evidence, while all the evidence to the contrary is before your very eyes, defies rational thinking.

All that's left for you to say is that I've hurt your feelings and accuse me of name calling when nothing could be further from the truth.

Arguments for the idea that there is no creator have no basis in reality because there is no evidence for them, hence atheists are delusional with respect to the truth of there being a creator as the cause for the existence of life and everything in the universe.

Originally posted by josephw
Arguments for the idea that there is no creator have no basis in reality...

What are some of these arguments?

Originally posted by avalanchethecat
Oh do wind your neck in. I have seen your posting here over the years and you are not so stupid as to believe the garbage you are currently posting, you're just looking for a way to trigger responses from people who hold a viewpoint different from your own. Your tedious and childish assertion isn't even worthy of comment, let alone argument.

Well then, until you can muster the courage to address the actual content of my assertions, then by all means quit responding with your thinly veiled contempt and personal insults.

Or, if you think you have the balls for it pussycat put up an argument with objective evidence for the idea that there is no God.

Prove through rational thought how there can be no creator.

I've asserted that all that exists is the evidence that points to a creator.

What's your evidence for the assertion that there is no God?

Originally posted by josephw
You're sounding like FMF now. I never called you a liar. Saying that you're lying to yourself within the context of telling yourself there is no God isn't the same thing as calling you a liar.

Why are you taking it so personally? Just because I said atheists are delusional about the existence of a creator?

As I told you before, there's no intent to in ...[text shortened]... of there being a creator as the cause for the existence of life and everything in the universe.

I think you've just showed your true colours in this thread, and it's not pretty. You arrogantly stated (to a mental health professional i might add) "Atheism is a mental disorder, the product of a disturbed mind." - It's no such thing. For you to think that is itself quite disturbing.

Be honest Joe, would you find it insulting if i said 'theism is a mental disorder, the product of a disturbed mind?' I could just as easily assert that, but I don't.

And then you make these bizarre statements "No God? An absolute lie. And you know it," and "Evolution is the biggest farce ever imagined and everybody knows it." - Sorry to break it to you Joe, but 'no' everybody doesn't know it, and this includes people a lot smarter and honest than yourself. Again, calling people delusional and liars because they don't agree with you are the tactics of a 7 year old.

As always, you are backwards in your argument that atheists can't provide a shred of evidence that God doesn't exist. It's like you boldly stating the universe was created by a giant octopus and then declaring it must be true because we can't evidence that it wasn't. - A very very weak argument. Bottom line, God is a human proposition that 'you' can't evidence the existence for.

Originally posted by josephw
Well then, until you can muster the courage to address the actual content of my assertions, then by all means quit responding with your thinly veiled contempt and personal insults.

Or, if you think you have the balls for it pussycat put up an argument with objective evidence for the idea that there is no God.

Prove through rational thought how there ca ...[text shortened]... dence that points to a creator.

What's your evidence for the assertion that there is no God?

I have never claimed that there is no god you barely literate buffoon, and I resent your accusation that I veil my contempt for your ignorance.

Your assertion is childish, errant nonsense, as I suspect you well know. You choose to infer from your own existence and that of the universe around you that a creator is required. This is because you are stupid and/or uneducated, and thus incapable of grasping alternative possibilities and the almost inconceivable unlikelihood that your scripture is somehow divinely informed. You further compound your idiocy by deciding quite without grounds to believe one of the many alternative creation myths and blindly insist that you have somehow happened upon the truth of life's inception. You have no idea how life and the universe came into being, nor do I or anybody else who posts here. Some of us are at least honest enough to admit that ignorance, while you stroll on arrogantly insisting that you know better while foolishly labelling others 'delusional' for not making the same bizarre choices. Your posting behaviour right now is beneath contempt josephw.

Originally posted by josephw
I never called you a liar.

I think what is getting you so bent out of shape about it is because you know it's true.

I am pretty sure you are calling him a liar.

Originally posted by josephw
Prove through rational thought how there can be no creator.

I've asserted that all that exists is the evidence that points to a creator.

And you also asserted that you arrived at your conclusion rationally. But you are yet to provide your actual reasons or logic. Now you demand that others prove the opposite? That's the best you've got?

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
God is a human proposition that 'you' can't evidence the existence for.

Using "evidence" as a verb ~ is that an American English kind of thing?

Originally posted by josephw
I've asserted that all that exists is the evidence that points to a creator.

One could just as easily assert that "all that exists is the evidence that points to..." there always having been stuff that existed and so there was[or is] no creator necessary.

Originally posted by FMF
One could just as easily assert that "all that exists is the evidence that points to..." there always having been stuff that existed and so there was[or is] no creator necessary.

"One could just as easily assert that "all that exists is the evidence that points to..." "

Points to what? Do you mean like, "all that exists is the evidence that points to a flying spaghetti monster?

Originally posted by twhitehead
And you also asserted that you arrived at your conclusion rationally. But you are yet to provide your actual reasons or logic. Now you demand that others prove the opposite? That's the best you've got?

Consider the following two statements.

All that exists is evidence for a creator.

All that exists is evidence for there being no creator.

Which statement is irrational?

Originally posted by josephw
[b]"One could just as easily assert that "all that exists is the evidence that points to..." "

Points to what? Do you mean like, "all that exists is the evidence that points to a flying spaghetti monster?

No, I mean the thing I said. You have based this thread on an assertion about what "everything that exists" is evidence of. I don't see how you have offered an argument. Now I have offered an assertion about what "everything that exists" is evidence of. So, there's your assertion. And there's another, different assertion. I haven't said anything about the "flying spaghetti monster". That's something you've introduced.

Originally posted by twhitehead
I am pretty sure you are calling him a liar.

But not 100%?

I can recall calling only one, maybe two individuals a liar in these forums in all these years, and for that I am sorry. It was in the heat of the moment.

Without looking back in this thread, and as far as I can recall, I cannot remember calling anyone a liar except to say, as a general statement, that atheists are lying to themselves.

Think and believe what you will.