Atheists: things ticking you off about religions:

Originally posted by Rajk999
Jesus cleansed ALL THE WORLD of sin by his death. The sin referred to is specifically the sin brought into the world by Adam. Paul says this plainly in Romans 5 - by one man sin entered the world and death followed, so by one man the free gift of righteousness came to all men:

Rom 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to c ...[text shortened]... so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

I am guessing if you are to have the benefits of the gift you need to accept it?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
I am guessing if you are to have the benefits of the gift you need to accept it?

A person accepts this gift of God by pleasing God. God is pleased when people are DOERS and not hearers / talkers only.

Therefore the typical doctrine of Christians that all you have to do is to profess a belief or claim to have faith in Christ, is a flawed doctrine.

Jesus Christ spent His entire ministry preaching about good works and righteousness. Yet many Christians now claim that good works is useless and nobody is righteous. Christ will judge.


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Originally posted by Rajk999
A person accepts this gift of God by pleasing God. God is pleased when people are DOERS and not hearers / talkers only.

Therefore the typical doctrine of Christians that all you have to do is to profess a belief or claim to have faith in Christ, is a flawed doctrine.

Jesus Christ spent His entire ministry preaching about good works and righteousness. ...[text shortened]... stians now claim that good works is useless and nobody is righteous. Christ will judge.


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When did I say all you have to do is profess belief? If you recall I believe that faith without works is dead. All I am saying is that faith is just as important. You claim that only good works are enough.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
When did I say all you have to do is profess belief? If you recall I believe that faith without works is dead. All I am saying is that faith is just as important. You claim that only good works are enough.

Both faith and good works are the best [ those with these qualities form the elect of God]
Faith alone is not good, useless and dead [ these will end up in eternal damnation]
Good works alone is acceptable. [these will also be called to the Kingdom of God - So says Jesus Christ].

You want to argue .. argue with Christ.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Both faith and good works are the best [ those with these qualities form the elect of God]
Faith alone is not good, useless and dead [ these will end up in eternal damnation]
Good works alone is acceptable. [these will also be called to the Kingdom of God - So says Jesus Christ].

You want to argue .. argue with Christ.

Ephesians 2:8,9

For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God, not by works, so that no one can boast.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Ephesians 2:8,9

For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God, [b]not by works, so that no one can boast. [/b]

At least it might cause some people not to do bad things. It still is advice coming from humans aimed at humans, no god involved. They are just words. Period.

Originally posted by Rajk999
You cannot read.

Jesus died for the sins of all people. Never said all sins were covered.

If people accept Jesus Christ, at that point they are cleansed of sin and are supposed to change and live acceptably. However if they continue with sin, then there comes a point when God will say enough is enough.

Not all sins are covered.

So Jesus died for the sins of all people, except a certain few whose sins are not covered?

Originally posted by Rajk999
Both faith and good works are the best [ those with these qualities form the elect of God]
Faith alone is not good, useless and dead [ these will end up in eternal damnation]
Good works alone is acceptable. [these will also be called to the Kingdom of God - So says Jesus Christ].

You want to argue .. argue with Christ.

I accept Jesus' words as well as the rest of the Bible your words I have issue with.

Originally posted by Kewpie
And this whole run of posts is what ticks me off about people who think they have the inside track.

There was an old joke about Communists and kittens, which I'm sure everyone here remembers. It applies equally well here.

I guess you don't hold a point of view on anything and never defend things you feel are
very important?

Originally posted by Kewpie
And this whole run of posts is what ticks me off about people who think they have the inside track.

There was an old joke about Communists and kittens, which I'm sure everyone here remembers. It applies equally well here.

I've never heard the joke about Communist and kittens, please share if you don't mind.

Originally posted by Rajk999
A person accepts this gift of God by pleasing God. God is pleased when people are DOERS and not hearers / talkers only.

Therefore the typical doctrine of Christians that all you have to do is to profess a belief or claim to have faith in Christ, is a flawed doctrine.

Jesus Christ spent His entire ministry preaching about good works and righteousness. ...[text shortened]... stians now claim that good works is useless and nobody is righteous. Christ will judge.


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So it isn't a gift of God, it is an earned outcome?

Originally posted by KellyJay
So it isn't a gift of God, it is an earned outcome?

A gift from a rich uncle of say a BMW, remains a gift [undeserved] regardless of what you do with it.
You can make use of it by filling it with gas and driving it
Or you can choose to just stare at it all day.

Originally posted by Rajk999
A gift from a rich uncle of say a BMW, remains a gift [undeserved] regardless of what you do with it.
You can make use of it by filling it with gas and driving it
Or you can choose to just stare at it all day.

That is using the gift yes, but you are talking about earning it. I've always maintained we
need to follow the Spirit and do the works that God gives us to do, but in that doing we are
not earning our salvation. You are saying two things at the same time and they do not
line up with each other. You've said Jesus' has died for all our sin so it doesn't matter what
we believe, yet at the same time some sins according to you means we have sinned to
much and God holds us too account, then will punish us for them. Sort of hard to have all
sins paid and yet hold any against anyone for anyone for any reason.

Originally posted by Rajk999
A gift from a rich uncle of say a BMW, remains a gift [undeserved] regardless of what you do with it.
You can make use of it by filling it with gas and driving it
Or you can choose to just stare at it all day.

If we were given a BMW and could not afford the insurance, couldn't afford the gas, we
could not use it. Wouldn't be much of a gift if that were the case, but with God its all taken
care of. With God He by His Spirit gives us His Spirit so we can walkout our life with Him
we are not on our own.

Originally posted by KellyJay
If we were given a BMW and could not afford the insurance, couldn't afford the gas, we
could not use it. Wouldn't be much of a gift if that were the case, but with God its all taken
care of. With God He by His Spirit gives us His Spirit so we can walkout our life with Him
we are not on our own.

Nonsense. The BMW remains a gift. Its up to the receiver to utilize it or not. The gift of God is the death of Jesus which cancelled the curse of the sin of Adam which brought death to all of mankind. The gift is an opportunity for eternal life, a hope of eternal life. It is not a guarantee that one can continue in sin and still benefit from this gift. If one continues in righteousness and pleases God then eternal life will be granted. Christ will judge who qualifies.