10 Sep 16
Originally posted by KellyJayMore BS church dogma. The Bible never said ALL SINS ARE PAID... NEVER . If there is such a quote in the Bible please provide it.
That is using the gift yes, but you are talking about earning it. I've always maintained we
need to follow the Spirit and do the works that God gives us to do, but in that doing we are
not earning our salvation. You are saying two things at the same time and they do not
line up with each other. You've said Jesus' has died for all our sin so it doesn't ma ...[text shortened]... . Sort of hard to have all
sins paid and yet hold any against anyone for anyone for any reason.
The Bible says that Christ died for the sins of the world.
The Bible says also that Christ died for past sins.
The Bible says if you accept Christ and then continue with wilful sin then there is NO MORE SACRIFICE FOR SINS .... BUT JUDGMENT.
The Bible warnings are crystal clear ... but you choose to ignore it because of some personal reason or indoctrination.
10 Sep 16
Originally posted by Rajk999So Jesus did not die for all sins?
Nonsense. The BMW remains a gift. Its up to the receiver to utilize it or not. The gift of God is the death of Jesus which cancelled the curse of the sin of Adam which brought death to all of mankind. The gift is an opportunity for eternal life, a hope of eternal life. It is not a guarantee that one can continue in sin and still benefit from this gift. If ...[text shortened]... ighteousness and pleases God then eternal life will be granted. Christ will judge who qualifies.
Originally posted by KellyJayDo you have a reference that says that Jesus died for all sins?
So Jesus did not die for all sins?
If you do then please provide it ... thank you.
In the meantime read this:
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; (Romans 3:23-25 KJV)
Did you get that? JESUS DIED FOR REMISSION OF SINS THAT ARE PAST.
That means two things:
1. the sin of Adam inherited by all of mankind
2. Your own committed sins prior to accepting Christ as your Lord and Saviour.
Hence the word PAST
Here is more:
For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned. (Heb 6:4-8)
Accepting Christ and then falling away can mean that there is no more forgiveness. God will judge and decide.
Automatic forgiveness / repentance should not be taken for granted.
Some are forgiven and some are not .. God will decide.
Let me know if you want more.
10 Sep 16
Originally posted by Rajk999So if Jesus didn't die for the Atheist sin how do you justify your stance on the Atheist being
Do you have a reference that says that Jesus died for all sins?
If you do then please provide it ... thank you.
In the meantime read this:
[i]For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his bloo ...[text shortened]... ranted.
Some are forgiven and some are not .. God will decide.
Let me know if you want more.
right with God? You think Atheist are sinless? You have so many people coming to God
who do not know Jesus Christ, they are either sinless, or Jesus died for them. Since you
acknowledge that all have sinned and come short of the glory of God, are you now saying
that Jesus died for every sin no matter if they are found in Christ or not? What is it you
seem to keep changing your views on who is and isn't right with God for the various reasons.
Originally posted by Rajk999"2. Your own committed sins prior to accepting Christ as your Lord and Saviour. "
Do you have a reference that says that Jesus died for all sins?
If you do then please provide it ... thank you.
In the meantime read this:
[i]For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his bloo ...[text shortened]... ranted.
Some are forgiven and some are not .. God will decide.
Let me know if you want more.
Why would Jesus save us from sins before we accept Him and as soon as we sin after
hold those against us so we are unable to get right with God? Wouldn't it be better to save
all to keep everyone from knowing Christ and hiding God's grace from people if as soon
as they are aware of it they then are now held accountable for their sins?
10 Sep 16
Originally posted by KellyJayWhere did I say this : Jesus didn't die for the Atheist sin
So if Jesus didn't die for the Atheist sin how do you justify your stance on the Atheist being
right with God? You think Atheist are sinless? You have so many people coming to God
who do not know Jesus Christ, they are either sinless, or Jesus died for them. Since you
acknowledge that all have sinned and come short of the glory of God, are you now sayin ...[text shortened]... ou
seem to keep changing your views on who is and isn't right with God for the various reasons.
10 Sep 16
Originally posted by KellyJayNot interested in speculation or opinions. I discuss what the Bible says.
"2. Your own committed sins prior to accepting Christ as your Lord and Saviour. "
Why would Jesus save us from sins before we accept Him and as soon as we sin after
hold those against us so we are unable to get right with God? Wouldn't it be better to save
all to keep everyone from knowing Christ and hiding God's grace from people if as soon
as they are aware of it they then are now held accountable for their sins?
10 Sep 16
Originally posted by KellyJayDo you have a reference that says that Jesus died for all sins?
You have gone on and on about an Atheist can be right with God it does not matter what
we believe, since it doesn't matter why does it matter for anyone? Your story keeps
changing!
If you do then please provide it ... thank you.
Originally posted by Rajk999And here it is again.
Both faith and good works are the best [ those with these qualities form the elect of God]
Faith alone is not good, useless and dead [ these will end up in eternal damnation]
Good works alone is acceptable. [these will also be called to the Kingdom of God - So says Jesus Christ].
You want to argue .. argue with Christ.
"If you argue with me, you argue with Christ." -- Rajk
Hypocrisy of the first order.
When will you understand that people do not argue with Christ's words?
What they take issue with is your interpretation of them.
11 Sep 16
Originally posted by Rajk999"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." -- Romans 10:9, KJV
Therefore the typical doctrine of Christians that all you have to do is to profess a belief or claim to have faith in Christ, is a flawed doctrine.
WHY do you constantly assume in this forum that Christians fill the first half of this verse but do not fill the second half? And even you yourself leave off the second half of this verse ALL THE TIME.
And it is AFTER the transformation has been made that "good works" are given and received. Why do you always "skip to the chase" and omit believing in one's heart?
You are ASSUMING.