Atheists: things ticking you off about religions:

Originally posted by KellyJay
You are giving life a quality quite beyond the norm, as if *Life* itself had a plan, purpose,
and design. If that isn't supernatural what is it, it isn't just chemical's getting strung together
out of random mutation.

In my words, there is more going on than just atoms bouncing around. I can see why you'd call that supernatural. But if nature is more than just atoms bouncing around, it doesn't make sense to call nature 'supernatural', does it?

Originally posted by apathist
In my words, there is more going on than just atoms bouncing around. I can see why you'd call that supernatural. But if nature is more than just atoms bouncing around, it doesn't make sense to call nature 'supernatural', does it?

No, unless you think there is something guiding the bouncing around than you've take a
step closer to god, to put a personality to it than your closer to God.

Originally posted by KellyJay
No, unless you think there is something guiding the bouncing around than you've take a
step closer to god, to put a personality to it than your closer to God.

Certainly. Mother Earth is known as the Great Goddess. 'As a drop of water is part of the ocean, so are we part of mother earth.' She didn't create the universe, her truth isn't revealed only by prophets, we don't need her forgiveness and she doesn't need our belief in order to enjoy her bounty. Her existence is apparent all around us. She's doing the best she can and would benefit from our help.

Kids absorb the language of their culture as a sponge absorbs water. Spiritual people become indoctrinated to the local religion in much the same way. If you'd been born in India then you'd be telling us about Vishnu.

btw, god on trial, he's being tried in absentia, and his attorneys have all run away. What do you think about that?

Originally posted by apathist
Certainly. Mother Earth is known as the Great Goddess. 'As a drop of water is part of the ocean, so are we part of mother earth.' She didn't create the universe, her truth isn't revealed only by prophets, we don't need her forgiveness and she doesn't need our belief in order to enjoy her bounty. Her existence is apparent all around us. She's doing the best ...[text shortened]... he's being tried in absentia, and his attorneys have all run away. What do you think about that?

You realize there is a difference between God and god correct?

Originally posted by KellyJay
You realize there is a difference between God and god correct?

In our culture, the Christian God is usually capitalized. So what? He is just another god. There are lots and lots of them. You kinda evade all points. Well done.

Originally posted by apathist
In our culture, the Christian God is usually capitalized. So what? He is just another god. There are lots and lots of them. You kinda evade all points. Well done.

It isn't a cultural reason, "God" is the one and only God which could be the Christian God
or Muslim, while god could be one of many gods.

Originally posted by KellyJay
It isn't a cultural reason, "God" is the one and only God which could be the Christian God
or Muslim, while god could be one of many gods.

So you are not a monotheist. Many gods, none of which actually show up on Earth to fix our boo boo's.

Originally posted by KellyJay
It isn't a cultural reason, "God" is the one and only God which could be the Christian God
or Muslim, while god could be one of many gods.

ahh, you dissed the jews

Originally posted by sonhouse
So you are not a monotheist. Many gods, none of which actually show up on Earth to fix our boo boo's.

No I believe in one God who setup the universe and everything in it, who is by the way
a reality not made by man.

Originally posted by apathist
ahh, you dissed the jews

You show your lack of understanding in every post with just about everyone I've seen
you engage with. There is not dissing of the Jews, Christianity started with them.

Originally posted by KellyJay
No I believe in one God who setup the universe and everything in it, who is by the way
a reality not made by man.

Set up the universe, meaning you believe the universe started 14 billion years ago and our solar system including Earth is on the order of 4 or 5 billion years old?

So you believe God, as opposed to god, set up the rules of physics and chemistry and such to end up making the matter that allowed life to flourish on Earth?

Originally posted by sonhouse
Set up the universe, meaning you believe the universe started 14 billion years ago and our solar system including Earth is on the order of 4 or 5 billion years old?

So you believe God, as opposed to god, set up the rules of physics and chemistry and such to end up making the matter that allowed life to flourish on Earth?

Without God involved I'm not sure 14 billion years would be enough.
With God time is now a meaningless piece of the puzzle.

I have to say that I actually don't know how old the universe is, it could be billions of years
old.

I do believe God created the universe which means He has all from the smallest piece of
matter or energy to the largest systems nothing He isn't completely aware of. He is
everywhere in His completeness and with all of His power and knowledge too. So yes all
of the laws of physics and chemistry He setup so He could bend the whole universe from
the largest to the smallest pieces to create life as He sees fit and maintain it through time.

Originally posted by KellyJay
You show your lack of understanding in every post with just about everyone I've seen
you engage with. There is not dissing of the Jews, Christianity started with them.

There are three religions that worship the abrahamic god. You said " "God" is the one and only God which could be the Christian God or Muslim, while god could be one of many gods." You left out the jews , which is how you dissed them.

Originally posted by KellyJay
Without God involved I'm not sure 14 billion years would be enough.
With God time is now a meaningless piece of the puzzle.

I have to say that I actually don't know how old the universe is, it could be billions of years
old.

I do believe God created the universe which means He has all from the smallest piece of
matter or energy to the largest syste ...[text shortened]...
the largest to the smallest pieces to create life as He sees fit and maintain it through time.

There is a bit of a plot problem with that scenerio: a god knowing all, knowing the past, present and future of all things would not find it neccessary to give mankind tests it knows in advance will pass or fail, like the garden of eden apple story or Ab killing his son to prove to god he is loyal and so forth, or the flood story where all the land animals are killed to spite some allegedly bad humans, where this all powerful god could have much more effiently done in the bad people directly without all the drama of the killing of literally hundreds of billions of innocent animals, which had no part in the behavior of the humans.

These kind of plots are extremely indicitive of man made stories, mankind if nothing else is a collection of really good story tellers, very creative indeed and these kind of stories have the fist of humans written all over them.

They were written without thinking of the actual power of a real god, only what their imaginations could come up with.

Originally posted by apathist
There are three religions that worship the abrahamic god. You said " "God" is the one and only God which could be the Christian God or Muslim, while god could be one of many gods." You left out the jews , which is how you dissed them.

There is but one God, besides which there is no other, that is what is meant be *God*. From
God He introduced Himself back into mankind through the Jews, and through them came
Jesus. Since Jesus said He is the Way, the Truth, and Way every way from any other
source or people are wanting and will not reach a right relationship with God.