Barriers to belief

Originally posted by FMF
I thought the Bible was solid evidence and I therefore took it at face value. After many years of reflection I realized that I no longer perceived it as solid evidence.

But somehow you can't remember or don't wish to tell me why you believed it was solid evidence before and what exactly changed your mind. Fair play.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
But somehow you can't remember or don't wish to tell me why you believed it was solid evidence before and what exactly changed your mind. Fair play.

Not interested. As I have said before. Do you not remember? If I wanted to dissect my Christian faith as it was decades ago, I'd go to a Christianity forum. I have talked about them here in the past, but I am not interested in discussing it with a wind up merchant like you. Like your suggestion that I "somehow can't remember" my Christian faith. You are a boring piss taker. You can ask till you go blue in the face. Not interested. 😉

Originally posted by FMF
Not interested. As I have said before. Do you not remember? If I wanted to dissect my Christian faith as it was decades ago, I'd go to a Christianity forum. I have talked about them here in the past, but I am not interested in discussing it with a wind up merchant like you. Like your suggestion that I "somehow can't remember" my Christian faith. You are a boring piss taker. You can ask till you go blue in the face. Not interested. 😉

How very forthright and transparent of you. 😉

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
How very forthright and transparent of you. 😉

Like I said, you can go on about it till you go blue in the face.

Originally posted by FMF
Like I said, you can go on about it till you go blue in the face.

As long as you don't claim to be forthright and transparent, it's cool.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
So if faith is God given and someone dies without faith does that mean it's God fault for not giving them faith?

Romans 1:20

For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood from His workmanship, so that men are without excuse.

What do you think?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
As long as you don't claim to be forthright and transparent, it's cool.

You have been quite dishonest in the last few pages; all this avoiding FMF's question, then pretending you didn't know which question I was asking about. I agree with FMF, you are a boring piss-taker, a hopeless debater who actually has very little to say, and I have demonstrated that you are also dishonest.

Virtually no one here is interested in engaging with you - the only reason I'm here is that I spotted your dishonesty. That's the only thing interesting about you - your dishonesty.

Originally posted by divegeester
You have been quite dishonest in the last few pages; all this avoiding FMF's question, then pretending you didn't know which question I was asking about. I agree with FMF, you are a boring piss-taker, a hopeless debater who actually has very little to say, and I have demonstrated that you are also dishonest.

Virtually no one here is interested in en ...[text shortened]... s that I spotted your dishonesty. That's the only thing interesting about you - your dishonesty.

I answered his question and you know that. The fact that you are not satisfied with the answer doesn't mean I didn't answer it. Pretending otherwise is dishonesty on your part.

Originally posted by divegeester
What do you think?

I asked you first.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
[b]There are martyrs in just about every religion: people willing to lay down their lives because, with their religious beliefs, they "were so convinced that they were willing to die".

Which are all these religions are you referring to, where people would rather die than renounce their faith?[/b]

Talking about ignoring questions, here is one that FMF ignored.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Talking about ignoring questions, here is one that FMF ignored.

I missed it. Countless people have laid down their lives for their religious beliefs down through the ages. It's not evidence of the veracity of what they believe; it's evidence of their fundamentalism and their state of mind.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
I answered his question and you know that. The fact that you are not satisfied with the answer doesn't mean I didn't answer it. Pretending otherwise is dishonesty on your part.

But I'm not contesting that you claim to have answered it, I'm calling you on your dishonesty of pretending you didn't know what I was talking about, when clearly you did.

Originally posted by FMF
I missed it. Countless people have laid down their lives for their religious beliefs down through the ages. It's not evidence of the veracity of what they believe; it's evidence of their fundamentalism and their state of mind.

You said from almost every religion, care to name a few outside of Christianity?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
So if faith is God given and someone dies without faith does that mean it's God fault for not giving them faith?

Asking this question reveals that you are either trolling, or a child or just immature.

Just because someone is without faith doesn't mean god didn't give them any or they didn't have access to faith.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
You said from almost every religion, care to name a few outside of Christianity?

All of them, basically. If sacrificing yourself for your god figure and for your fellow religionists is evidence of the veracity of your beliefs, then suicide bombers professing Islam have created a lot of "evidence" of the "truth" of Islam in the last few decades. And even if - as a thought exercise - I were to accept that no one had ever laid down their life for their religion or their religious beliefs, except Christians - It's simply not evidence of the veracity of what they believe.