Barriers to belief

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Like you did in the past, I may presently believe my faith is genuine. But if I loose it in the future it should mean that it wasn't. Time will tell.

Do you imagine that someone who lost their Christian faith on their deathbed, in their last hour of life, would consequently be tortured for eternity in the flames of "hell" by your angry, vengeful god figure?

Originally posted by FMF
Do you imagine that someone who lost their Christian faith on their deathbed, in their last hour of life, would consequently be tortured for eternity in the flames of "hell" by your angry, vengeful god figure?

If you've been following you would have noticed that I believe that someone who looses their 'faith' didn't have genuine faith to start off with. So your question makes no sense. I do however belief that someone who repents on their deathbed will be received by a merciful God.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
If you've been following you would have noticed that I believe that someone who looses their 'faith' didn't have genuine faith to start off with. So your question makes no sense.

So that means you do think that someone who loses their lifelong, professed Christian faith in their last hour of life will be tortured for eternity your vengeful god figure?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
If you've been following you would have noticed that I believe that someone who looses their 'faith' didn't have genuine faith to start off with. So your question makes no sense. I do however belief that someone who repents on their deathbed will be received by a merciful God.

So does this mean that you concede that you perhaps both [1] don't have genuine Christian faith currently [I acknowledge that you have already conceded this] and you perhaps, because it is not yet known if you will one day lose your faith, [2] didn't have genuine Christian faith to start off with regardless of the fact that you are currently sincere in your claims about your belief in Jesus?

Originally posted by FMF
So that means you [b]do think that someone who loses their lifelong, professed Christian faith in their last hour of life will be tortured for eternity your vengeful god figure?[/b]

1. I believe if your faith is genuine, you won't loose it.

2. When did I say anyone will tortured for eternity?

Originally posted by FMF
So does this mean that you concede that you perhaps [b]both [1] don't have genuine Christian faith currently [I acknowledge that you have already conceded this] and you perhaps, because it is not yet known if you will one day lose your faith, [2] didn't have genuine Christian faith to start off with regardless of the fact that you are currently sincere in your claims about your belief in Jesus?[/b]

1. I think if your faith was genuine you would not have lost it.
2. I think my faith is genuine, and therefore I won't loose it.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Seems we have something in common. 😵

Inaccurate and lame.

Carry on troll-boy.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
I believe if your faith is genuine, you won't loose it.

Putting aside your personal application of the word "genuine", what about lifelong, sincere, professed Christian faith?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
When did I say anyone will tortured for eternity?

So you don't think the person I mentioned in my example will be tortured for eternity?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
I think my faith is genuine, and therefore I won't loose it.

That was my situation in the past too: I thought my faith is genuine, and I therefore thought I wouldn't loose it. And I am not asking you if you think your faith is genuine, and if you think you will loose it. So your current assertions are not part of this question. You have already conceded this: "I may presently believe my faith is genuine. But if I lose it in the future it should mean that it wasn't". So the additional question is this: Because it is not yet known if you will one day lose your faith, and regardless of the fact that you are currently completely sincere in your claims about your professed belief in Jesus, do you concede that you might never have had genuine Christian faith to start off with?

Originally posted by FMF
Putting aside your personal application of the word "genuine", what about lifelong, sincere, professed Christian faith?

I don't think a lifelong, sincere Christian can loose their faith. If they are genuinely sincere.

Originally posted by FMF
So you don't think the person I mentioned in my example will be tortured for eternity?

When did I claim to know that anyone will be tortured for eternity?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
I don't think a lifelong, sincere Christian can loose their faith. If they are genuinely sincere.

What is this pearl of wisdom based on, a dream you once had?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
When did I claim to know that anyone will be tortured for eternity?

You rarely claim anything, you don't seem to know what you believe. Eternal suffering is a pivotal and decisive doctrine and because of the nature of the teaching and its impact on the perception of God, the gospel and Christianity itself, every Christian should have an unequivocal position on it.

What is yours?

Originally posted by FMF
That was my situation in the past too: I thought my faith is genuine, and I therefore thought I wouldn't loose it. And I am not asking you if you think your faith is genuine, and if you think you will loose it. So your current assertions are not part of this question. You have already conceded this: "I may presently believe my faith is genuine. But if I lose it ...[text shortened]... , do you concede that you might never have had genuine Christian faith [b]to start off with?[/b]

Anyone who 'looses their faith' did not have genuine faith, so clearly you did not have genuine faith regardless of your claims. If it was genuine you would not have lost it. Hypothetically if I were to loose my faith in the future, which I don't believe will happen, I would have to concede then that it was not genuine. At this point in time I don't see the point of conceding to anything.