Being righteous, doing God's righteousness works.

@bigdogg said
The Cross further perverts justice.

The taker of 1,000 lives can get into heaven by accepting Jesus as his Savior, while the teller of 1 lie might not.

This is because we believe in a God that can see into people's hearts to see intent and character. If the taker of 1,000 lives is truly repentant (not likely, I know), then God can see that, just like he can see the teller of one lie is non-repentant. Are they sorry (do they want to make amends) or not, and are they being truthful. That's what tips the scales. The Cross does not pervert justice, it IS justice.

This is the main reason I say Pascal's Wager is useless. One cannot fool God and one cannot game God.

@medullah said
@Ghost-of-a-Duke

I’d like to meet one that doesn’t think that 1+1+1 = 1

The thing is, if you read the bible cover to cover you would never come up with a trinity, at best duopoly, and if you removed the disgraceful translational hijacking at John 1:1 you wouldn’t manage that.

I love how Christians continually put limits on God, as if God was a person.

@rajk999 said
The interesting thing about all that is that it is a non-issue and completely irrelevant. In the process of studying, examining the scripture, and gaining knowledge, people have lost sight of what is important and what it is that Jesus said about eternal life, i.e., who gets in and who is cast out. Nothing is wrong with discussing it, but when there comes that point where o ...[text shortened]... you must believe that Jesus is God ... otherwise ... etc etc.... then you know you have gone astray.

I would agree

@kellyjay said
My ancestors are no different than I am, none of them hold the universe together by the power of their words, and none of them were as good as God who grants us all life, and gives all that is required for life from the very air we breathe to keeping the universe running in law like manners. I hold none of them in contempt.

The journey we take isn't an evolutionary one, ...[text shortened]... playing field instead it can be for a large part due to money power at the expense of righteousness.

I don’t understand the thumbs down , I dont think that Kelly has said anything wrong?

@kellyjay said
Deceiver, when you can not justify your heretical beliefs with scripture running away is about all you can do.

Both you and Raj (I agree criticism has been a bit one side) need to stop throwing stones at each other - you both need to tone it down.

@rajk999 said
Death-bed conversions are a false doctrine based on an erroneous interpretation of the thief in the cross incident. There are other writings in the Jewish library that explain the details of that 'good thief'. [I posted the quote from the Gospel of Nicodemus several times here].

Evidently, Jesus knew the man as a child. Mary and Jesus were traveling and came across this ...[text shortened]... st, and also to the Gentile: For there is no respect for persons with God. (Romans 2:5–11 KJV) [/i]

I think so. But didn’t Constantine go down a similar road?

@suzianne said
I love how Christians continually put limits on God, as if God was a person.

Putting aside us being made in His image, there are a number of passages in the Bible that say God is beyond our understanding. - With this in mind, how can the trinity be taken seriously, seeing as it was formulated by mortal scholars and not at all how the early church (as Meds has stated, I think) understood the nature of God. It smacks more of an over-intellectualized retrofit.

@medullah said
I think so. But didn’t Constantine go down a similar road?

What road are you talking about?

@medullah said
Both you and Raj (I agree criticism has been a bit one side) need to stop throwing stones at each other - you both need to tone it down.

You need to understand the man. He is just shy of a doctrine called 'dispensationalism'. This started when people got tired of Christians like me who go around telling people over and over what Jesus preached and how their church doctrine based in Paul contradicts Christ. So some wiseguy devised a doctrine where Jesus got booted out of the running totally. The idea is that there are various dispensations in which different laws apply. They put Jesus in the era of the Law of Moses, with the claim that Jesus knew nothing of the Grace of God which only came with the Day of Pentecost. Therefore good works and righteousness no longer apply. The Age of Grace is now where a profession of faith is sufficient to gain eternal life regardless of your lifestyle.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Trinitarians are actually polytheistic in their beliefs, happily carving up their deity while frantically stamping a foot and claiming they only believe in one God.

Your lack of understanding is showing, throughout the OT and NT it is an established truth! Since you don’t believe in God under any circumstance your opinion doesn’t make a difference one way or the other, no matter how we view God.

@suzianne said
I love how Christians continually put limits on God, as if God was a person.

1•1•1=1

@kellyjay said
Your lack of understanding is showing, throughout the OT and NT it is an established truth! Since you don’t believe in God under any circumstance your opinion doesn’t make a difference one way or the other, no matter how we view God.

There is no positive correlation between understanding and belief
There is quite likely a high negative correlation.

@rajk999 said
You need to understand the man. He is just shy of a doctrine called 'dispensationalism'. This started when people got to tired of Christians like me who go around telling people over and over what Jesus preached and how their church doctrine based in Paul contradicts Christ. So some wiseguy devised a doctrine where Jesus got booted out of the running totally. The idea is tha ...[text shortened]... is now where a profession of faith is sufficient to gain eternal life regardless of your lifestyle.

The wide road is what you preach, it is the easiest path just do some good works and you will make it to the Kingdom of God. The trouble with your doctrine, even with the larger group accepting it, it just goes to hell in the end.

No cross of Christ, just good works can only create a self righteousness when God requires His grace through faith in Jesus Christ.

@rajk999 said
There is no positive correlation between understanding and belief
There is quite likely a high negative correlation.

If you reject all gods then everyone of them will be rejected regardless they are defined. You can color them anyway you like, since it’s all made up in your opinion.

@kellyjay said
The wide road is what you preach, it is the easiest path just do some good works and you will make it to the Kingdom of God. The trouble with your doctrine, even with the larger group accepting it, it just goes to hell in the end.

No cross of Christ, just good works can only create a self righteousness when God requires His grace through faith in Jesus Christ.

You talk about Hell and Raj preaches Damnation - are they not the same thing and therefore you two have common ground (even if it is unscriptural) ?