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Originally posted by @fmfSo you agree there may actually be a chance the Ghost was lying?
Maybe one can't. Maybe one can. Maybe one is taken in by a lie. Maybe one mistakenly thinks that someone lied when they didn't. Maybe the lie is really obvious straight away. Maybe one realizes someone lied way later. You have not yet worked this kind of thing out and you're in your 30s?
FMF: Does this mean you believe that incorrect answers in a quiz, or factual errors in an essay, or mistakes made when completing a maths homework are examples of "lying"?You're a teacher. Do you perceive your students as telling "lies" if they get some of their exercises or test questions wrong? Do you discuss students' errors in terms of them being "lies" when you meet their parents?
Originally posted by @dj2becker
Any untrue statement which is a deviation from the truth is a lie.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerNo, I don't. I think you lie in everyday conversations on this forum ~ and I have tackled you about it in the past. You have also tackled me for what you saw as me lying about being a Christian earlier in my life. That's our estimation of each other. My estimation of Ghost of a Duke is that there is zero chance that he was lying on page 1 of this thread. Your estimation of him is that he lied, is that correct?
So you agree there may actually be a chance the Ghost was lying?
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Originally posted by @apathistThanks. Appreciated.
Ghost is honest. That doesn't make him right or wrong, of course.
I was actually 'wrong' in my initial statement that Becker had introduced the word 'notion' into the thread. When this was pointed out to me I checked and then immediately acknowledged my error.
Far more interesting however is how Becker equates an unintentional error as a lie. - Now, at a stretch, one could just about call an (obviously) unintentional error as an 'untruth' (in that it was factually incorrect) - but a 'lie' (by any reasonable and common understanding) requires 'intent' to deceive,...surely?
Becker has, therefore, put himself in the rather strange position of equating people who make mistakes (freely acknowledged) as liars, which is compounded further by the fact that his Christian understanding of 'liars' is that they are destined for hell.
'But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all LIARS--they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death." (Revelation 21:8)
So be warned, by Becker's reasoning, people who make errors are liars and hated by God and will be eternally punished in the fires of hell.
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeOr maybe Becker made an erroneous mistake, and now you're gaining traction in an effort to discredit him slanderously by making a mountain out of a molehill and boosting your ego.
Thanks. Appreciated.
I was actually 'wrong' in my initial statement that Becker had introduced the word 'notion' into the thread. When this was pointed out to me I checked and then immediately acknowledged my error.
Far more interesting however is how Becker equates an unintentional error as a lie. - Now, at a stretch, one could just about ca ...[text shortened]... who make errors are liars and hated by God and will be eternally punished in the fires of hell.
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Originally posted by @secondson3 points:
Or maybe Becker made an erroneous mistake, and now you're gaining traction in an effort to discredit him slanderously by making a mountain out of a molehill and boosting your ego.
1. Becker is clearly the one making a mountain out of a molehill, by not just accepting my unintentional error for what it was. (By elevating it to a 'lie', which is in itself slanderous).
2. You say Becker may have made an 'erroneous mistake,' which is quite comical considering Becker himself is arguing that such mistakes are a form of lying. (Which I'm pretty sure, as a reasonable person, you don't agree with).
3. My hefty ego doesn't require boosting.
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeWell, I don't think you're a liar anyway, and I hope you didn't think I was inferring so. I don't lie either, which is why I must confess, because I'm honest, that I hadn't read the exchange before making my comments, and I'm not going to read them either because it's between you and Becker anyway.
3 points:
1. Becker is clearly the one making a mountain out of a molehill, by not just accepting my unintentional error for what it was. (By elevating it to a 'lie', which is in itself slanderous).
2. You say Becker may have made an 'erroneous mistake,' which is quite comical considering Becker himself is arguing that such mistakes are a form o ...[text shortened]... sure, as a reasonable person, you don't agree with).
3. My hefty ego doesn't require boosting.
Too bad these things happen. Sinners and saints are much alike in many ways. We're all fallible and share many of the same struggles.
One difference though stands out between believers and unbelievers, and that is believers have the absolute assurance of eternal life.
It's a Christian thing, you wouldn't understand. 😉
Originally posted by @secondson"...believers believe they have the absolute assurance of eternal life."
Well, I don't think you're a liar anyway, and I hope you didn't think I was inferring so. I don't lie either, which is why I must confess, because I'm honest, that I hadn't read the exchange before making my comments, and I'm not going to read them either because it's between you and Becker anyway.
Too bad these things happen. Sinners and saints are mu ...[text shortened]... e the absolute assurance of eternal life.
It's a Christian thing, you wouldn't understand. 😉
FTFY
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Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeYou were also wrong in claiming you had no notion of divine law. When I questioned you on it - and that’s all I did - you attacked me.
Thanks. Appreciated.
I was actually 'wrong' in my initial statement that Becker had introduced the word 'notion' into the thread. When this was pointed out to me I checked and then immediately acknowledged my error.
Far more interesting however is how Becker equates an unintentional error as a lie. - Now, at a stretch, one could just about ca ...[text shortened]... who make errors are liars and hated by God and will be eternally punished in the fires of hell.
It’s clear you don’t like admitting you’re wrong. Considering how often you’re wrong, one would think you’d be used to it by now.
Originally posted by @romans1009 to Ghost of a DukeOf course Ghost of a Duke has no notion of divine law, he's an atheist. The notion of divine law is one that is subscribed to by theists.
You were also wrong in claiming you had no notion of divine law.
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Originally posted by @fmfYou don’t have to believe in God to have a notion of divine law. I don’t believe in the theory of evolution but I certainly have a notion of it.
Of course Ghost of a Duke has no notion of divine law, he's an atheist. The notion of divine law is one that is subscribed to by theists.
Originally posted by @romans1009In the context of this thread, you simply got the wrong end of the stick. Ghost has no notion of divine law. Neither do I.
You don’t have to believe in God to have a notion of divine law. I don’t believe in the theory of evolution but I certainly have a notion of it.
Originally posted by @romans1009Did you stop believing it four years ago when you became a Christian?
I don’t believe in the theory of evolution but I certainly have a notion of it.
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Originally posted by @fmfWe obviously disagree about what having a notion of something means. It would have been more accurate if Ghost had said he didn’t recognize divine law or didn’t put any credence in divine law. Saying he has no notion of it implies he’s never heard of it.
In the context of this thread, you simply got the wrong end of the stick. Ghost has no notion of divine law. Neither do I.