Believers, Non-Believers & Morality

Originally posted by @fmf
I have been calling you a liar on this issue for about 2 years. The "without proof" thing right now is because I can't be bothered and is not a "mistake".

According to your own definition I am a liar if I deliberately mislead people. How do you prove that I have deliberately mislead people? I haven't deliberately mislead anyone, and even if I did you know that you cannot prove it so your entire argument just crumbled at your feet.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
According to your own definition I am a liar if I deliberately mislead people. How do you prove that I have deliberately mislead people?

According to my own definition, I think you are a liar, and I am telling you so. I don't have to prove it to anyone.

Originally posted by @fmf
According to my own definition, I think you are a liar, and I am telling you so. I don't have to prove it to anyone.

You have no proof because if you had proof you would have shared it a long time ago.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
You have no proof because if you had proof you would have shared it a long time ago.

What need do I have for "proof"? "Proof" in whose eyes? You have the wrong end of the stick I think.

Originally posted by @fmf
What need do I have for "proof"? "Proof" in whose eyes? You have the wrong end of the stick I think.

By your definition it is impossible to have proof that anyone is lying. So how are you being honest by calling someone a liar without proof?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
By your definition it is impossible to have proof that anyone is lying. So how are you being honest by calling someone a liar without proof?

By your definition it is impossible to have proof that anyone is lying.

Nonsense.

So how are you being honest by calling someone a liar without proof?

I am being honest when I say I think you are a liar in your conversational gimmicks with me. Whether or not you happen to think there is "proof" or that I need to offer you "proof" has got nothing to do with it.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
By your definition it is impossible to have proof that anyone is lying. So how are you being honest by calling someone a liar without proof?

You sidestepped this: What need do I have for "proof"? "Proof" in whose eyes?

Originally posted by @fmf
[b]By your definition it is impossible to have proof that anyone is lying.

Nonsense.

So how are you being honest by calling someone a liar without proof?

I am being honest when I say I think you are a liar in your conversational gimmicks with me. Whether or not you happen to think there is "proof" or that I need to offer you "proof" has got nothing to do with it.[/b]

So you think that it's perfectly fine by your definition of lying to say that someone is lying without proof?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
So you think that it's perfectly fine by your definition of lying to say that someone is lying without proof?

"Proof" for whom ~ in whose eyes?

It's me who is asserting that you are deliberately deceitful. I obviously have all the evidence I need to call you a liar. To whom do you think I have to "prove" it?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
So you think that it's perfectly fine by your definition of lying to say that someone is lying without proof?

You called me a liar for claiming that I used to be a Christian. It is your prerogative. You don't have to "prove" to me that you believe I am a liar on that issue.

Originally posted by @fmf
"Proof" for whom ~ in whose eyes?

It's me who is asserting that you are deliberately deceitful. I obviously have all the evidence I need to call you a liar. To whom do you think I have to "prove" it?

What evidence could you possibly have that someone is being deliberate in deceiving people? Give me some examples.

Originally posted by @fmf
You called me a liar for claiming that I used to be a Christian. It is your prerogative. You don't have to "prove" to me that you believe I am a liar on that issue.

Quote me exactly when I said you were lying. I don't remember ever calling you a liar. Is this you deliberately deceiving people or is it an honest mistake?

Originally posted by @dj2becker

Quote me exactly when I said you were lying.

No, I can't be bothered. It happened on three occasions if memory serves.

I don't remember ever calling you a liar.

I don't believe you.

Is this you deliberately deceiving people or is it an honest mistake?

There is no mistake. I am completely honest with you.

Originally posted by @fmf
[b]Quote me exactly when I said you were lying.

No, I can't be bothered. It happened on three occasions if memory serves.

I don't remember ever calling you a liar.

I don't believe you.

Is this you deliberately deceiving people or is it an honest mistake?

There is no mistake. I am completely honest with you.[/b]

More allegations without evidence...

Originally posted by @dj2becker
What evidence could you possibly have that someone is being deliberate in deceiving people? Give me some examples.

When someone claims they didn't know something when, in fact, they did know it.

When someone tells one party one thing and then tells a different party something different.

When someone claims they had not been in a certain place or had not met a certain person but in fact they had.

When two people discuss something very specific and then one of them pretends that they didn't discuss it and asks the other person to repeat what they said over and over and over and over again.

And so on...