Believers, Non-Believers & Morality

Originally posted by @dj2becker
The dictionary clearly states that a lie is "something that misleads or deceives." What ghost said was misleading whether or not you are willing to accept it.

Every single dictionary clearly states that a lie is a deliberate falsehood. One definition you have found also refers to an idiomatic use of the word "lie" in certain turns of phrase. Ghost of a Duke did not use this idiomatic expression"wait, no, I tell a lie" when he realized he had inadvertent made an error and neither did you use the word "lie" in an idiomatic way when you referred to Ghost of a Duke's error as a lie. He was not deliberately misleading anyone, so it was not a lie.

Originally posted by @romans1009
Do you think I have no notion of the theory of evolution?

This thread is not about evolution. This thread is about non-believers who don't have notions of [i.e. belief in] divine law, "sin" and everlasting life, on one hand, and believers who do, on the other. Read the OP again. Read page 1 again.

Originally posted by @fmf
This thread is not about evolution. This thread is about non-believers who don't have notions of [i.e. belief in] divine law, "sin" and everlasting life, on one hand, and believers who do, on the other. Read the OP again. Read page 1 again.

You just acknowledged the error of your ways due to a rather weak and obvious attempt at distraction.

Heartpence will be most disappointed but you held out as long as you could.

Have a good night. Feel free to head back to the Debates forum to rail about white racism.

Originally posted by @fmf
Every single dictionary clearly states that a lie is a deliberate falsehood. One definition you have found also refers to an idiomatic use of the word "lie" in certain turns of phrase. Ghost of a Duke did not use this idiomatic expression"wait, no, I tell a lie" when he realized he had inadvertent made an error and neither did you use the word "lie" in an idio ...[text shortened]... host of a Duke's error as a lie. He was not deliberately misleading anyone, so it was not a lie.

Every single dictionary clearly states that a lie is a deliberate falsehood.

That is a lie. (deliberate or not)

Definition of lie
1 a : an assertion of something known or believed by the speaker or writer to be untrue with intent to deceive He told a lie to avoid punishment.
b : an untrue or inaccurate statement that may or may not be believed true by the speaker or writer the lies we tell ourselves to feel better historical records containing numerous lies
2 : something that misleads or deceives

2 says nothing about it being deliberate.

FMF: "Every single dictionary clearly states that a lie is a deliberate falsehood."

Originally posted by @dj2becker
That is a lie.

No, it is not. I cannot find a single dictionary that doesn't state that a lie is a deliberate falsehood.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
2 says nothing about it being deliberate.

To "deceive" is 'to cause (someone) to believe something that is not true, typically in order to gain some personal advantage'.

Originally posted by @romans1009
You just acknowledged the error of your ways due to a rather weak and obvious attempt at distraction.

Neither Ghost of a Duke nor I have made an error other than perhaps, indulging your 20 page attempt at humour by being disingenuous.

Originally posted by @fmf
What do the parents of your students say when you accuse their children of "lying" each time they get a science question wrong on a test you've set them? Come to think of it, what do the children say?

BUMP for dj2becker.

What do the parents of your students say when you accuse their children of "lying" each time they get a science question wrong on a test you've set them? Come to think of it, what do the children say?

Originally posted by @fmf
Neither Ghost of a Duke nor I have made an error other than perhaps, indulging your 20 page attempt at humour by being disingenuous.

You are dealing with two of the most derided and dishonest posters I’ve seen in this forum in a decade.

Originally posted by @fmf
No, it is not. I cannot find a single dictionary that doesn't state that a lie is a deliberate falsehood.

Maybe you should read with your eyes open. I have given you more than one.

Originally posted by @fmf
To "deceive" is 'to cause (someone) to believe something that is not true, typically in order to gain some personal advantage'.

Deception does not have to be deliberate. When Ghost said that I introduced the word, he was deceiving people. Maybe unintentionally so. But it was still deception.

Originally posted by @fmf
Neither Ghost of a Duke nor I have made an error other than perhaps, indulging your 20 page attempt at humour by being disingenuous.

You two share at least one thing in common - a refusal to admit when you’re wrong. It’s puzzling because the two of you are wrong so often. You must feel like you live in an alternate universe.

Originally posted by @divegeester
You are dealing with two of the most derided and dishonest posters I’ve seen in this forum in a decade.

Don't be so harsh on yourself and FMF.

Originally posted by @divegeester
You are dealing with two of the most derided and dishonest posters I’ve seen in this forum in a decade.

That’s just the booze talking. You know you love us. What would your day be like without the PB&J sandwiches I pack in your knapsack and our hide-and-seek “Where’s Tiger?” game?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Deception does not have to be deliberate. When Ghost said that I introduced the word, he was deceiving people. Maybe unintentionally so. But it was still deception.

He was not lying - and it was not deception - because the untrue statement was not deliberate and was not intended to mislead. If you wanted to use the word "lie" in some sort of idiomatic way, then you should have done so. Instead, you used the word incorrectly in much the same way as might a non-native speaker who was struggling with the idiomatic nuances of English. That's not an insult. It's a possible explanation.

Are you going to answer the question about your students, their parents, and your apparent insistence that errors on their quizzes or tests are "lies"?