Calling out Sonship on the trinity and salvation

@divegeester

I don’t mean anything by it; it’s whatever you and your church leaders tell me it is.

@sonship said
@Ghost-of-a-Duke

No. The word does not appear in the Bible.
Didn't you know that?

@Ghost-of-a-Duke

These days sir, atheists do indeed know that.

@kellyjay said
No, it doesn't, either does skepticism, or cynic but the truth of those things are real enough even if they are mentioned by those words. You did miss two links in this that went into great detail on the word Trinity, on top of other statements. Not that I think you did that on purpose I went back in this tread and looked you didn't say anything for quite a time. I'm just assuming you didn't go back and look at old conversations.

@sonship said
@Ghost-of-a-Duke

These days sir, atheists do indeed know that.

There is little significance to me that it is known by atheists or non-atheists.
Is there some significance to the fact that an atheist knows it?

So?

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Go back? I'm all about the future dude.

Let's see?

Did the publication "The Beliefs and Practices of the Local Churches" have as a requirement to be saved one used the actual word - "Trinity" ?

Let's see Divegeester's favorite part.

”In order to be saved, one must have a living faith in the Person and work of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. Every genuinely saved one has what the Bible calls the “common faith” (Titus 1:4), which includes what we must believe in order to be saved: we must believe that the Bible is the complete divine revelation wholly inspired by God; that there is a unique Triune God, the Father, the Son, and the Spirit;

@sonship said
Let's see?

Did the publication "The Beliefs and Practices of the Local Churches" have as a requirement to be saved one used the actual word - "Trinity" ?

Let's see Divegeester's favorite part.

[quote] ”In order to be saved, one must have a living faith in the Person and work of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. Every genuinely saved one has what the Bible cal ...[text shortened]... ] T-R-I-N-I-T-Y - [/b] trinity. If you don't say it you cannot be saved."

Did anyone see that?

@Ghost-of-a-Duke

Even atheists know that the Trinity isn't biblical. Yes, that is significant.

@sonship said
@Ghost-of-a-Duke

Even atheists know that the Trinity isn't biblical. Yes, that is significant.

Two different things there.

1.) The word trinity is not found in the text.
2.) The trinity is not biblical.

Two different issues.
With the first I agree.
The second is nonsense - very OLD nonsense going back a many centuries.

@Ghost-of-a-Duke

To be saved, one has to believe in the Triune God. (Belief in Christianity being in the heart and from the mouth).

Yes, I saw that.

Concerning Salvation ...

In order to be saved, one must have a living contact with Jesus Christ. Therefore, in bringing unbelievers to salvation, we emphasize prayer and calling on the name of the Lord. According to Romans 10:9 and 10, if a man is to be saved, he must believe in his heart and confess with his mouth.

@Ghost-of-a-Duke

To be saved, one has to believe in the Triune God. (Belief in Christianity being in the heart and from the mouth).

Yes, I saw that.

On the side while Ghost decides how he would respond -

Throughout this often silly argument, Divegeester seems to want to hunt for a difference in my opinion and the writing of a booklet called "The Beliefs and Practices of the Local Churches".

I would like to assure anyone that that booklet is not to us, and SHOULD NOT be to anyone else - on the same level as the Bible itself. It is not on the same level as the Bible or any of the sixty six books of the Bible.

I didn't say it was not helpful.
I just said that it is not to be regarded as a canonical book of the Bible.

I like the booklet. I think there are some helpful things in the booklet when properly understood. I do not exalt that publication to be on the same level as the Bible itself.

Neither do I regard any creedal statement of Church history to be on the same level as the words of Scripture themselves. Like the "Apostle's Creed" or the "Nicene Creed". These may be helpful. They are not on the same level as the Scripture.

@Ghost-of-a-Duke

The concept of the Trinity is a later addition. To believe otherwise is a nonsense, going back many centuries.

Ghost's complaint - Latter interpretations of the Bible are wrong additions.

But there is nothing added to the Bible. There is sometimes something uncovered which is needing illumination and clarification.

Jesus said the Holy Spirit would disclose things which the disciples at that time may not have had the capacity to receive.

I have yet many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.

But when He, the Spirit of reality, comes, He will guide you into all the reality; for He will not speak from Himself, but whatever He hears He will speak;

and He will disclose to you what is to come." (John 16:13)