Crosses, crucifixes and graven images

@philokalia said
How about the British flag?

I think that would be a woven image.

@kevin-eleven said
I think that would be a woven image.

Every now and then you come out with a good one 👆🏻

@suzianne said
It's not about "paganism".

Talk about missing the point.

Nevertheless…

“The cross in its various shapes and forms was a symbol of various beliefs. In pre-Christian times it was a pagan religious symbol throughout Europe and western Asia.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross

@divegeester said
Nevertheless…

“The cross in its various shapes and forms was a symbol of various beliefs. In pre-Christian times it was a pagan religious symbol throughout Europe and western Asia.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross

I’m sure many things have been many things to different people over history are you saying they all have the same meaning to all?

@philokalia said
Oof, sorry, I can't seem to find the post.

It’s only a couple pages back, are you sure?

@mike69 said
@medullah
Mike is he not showing humility to acknowledge that he gets it wrong at times ?

I’m not him, nor are you, ask him.

It’s ok to discuss something. I answered many of your comments are you not going to answer? BYW I prefer The name Jesus🙂.

@mike69 said
I’m sure many things have been many things to different people over history are you saying they all have the same meaning to all?

I’m not talking about what meaning a crucifix has to different people, I’m talking about what it means in the context of biblical text and historical record.

@suzianne said
It's not about "paganism".

But it is.

If Jesus was nailed to a tree or a post - as seems to be the historically accurate thing - but people writing an account of it decades later described a cross instead because they were trying to incorporate/appropriate a pre-existing non-Abrahamic religious symbol, then yes it is ~ it IS "about paganism". It is you, not me, who has missed the point.

@fmf said
But it is.

If Jesus was nailed to a tree or a post - as seems to be the historically accurate thing - but people writing an account of it decades later described a cross instead because they were trying to incorporate/appropriate a pre-existing non-Abrahamic religious symbol, then yes it is ~ it IS "about paganism". It is you, not me, who has missed the point.

It WAS a cross, thus the point, which you missed.

No "paganism" involved.

@divegeester said
Nevertheless…

“The cross in its various shapes and forms was a symbol of various beliefs. In pre-Christian times it was a pagan religious symbol throughout Europe and western Asia.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross

So?

@divegeester said
I’m not talking about what meaning a crucifix has to different people, I’m talking about what it means in the context of biblical text and historical record.

However, in the context of biblical text and historical record, no one has worshiped the cross.

It is not an idol. It is only a symbol, and therefore, NOT a "graven image".

@suzianne said
It WAS a cross, thus the point, which you missed.No "paganism" involved.

It was a cross according to people creating a religion based on the life of Jesus decades after his death, people who consciously appropriated pagan ideas and symbols into their fledgling mythology/narrative.

@suzianne said
So?

So, it is YOU who is missing the point.

@fmf said
It was a cross according to people creating a religion based on the life of Jesus decades after his death, people who consciously appropriated pagan ideas and symbols into their fledgling mythology/narrative.

"Says you", she said, not surprised at all.

Acts, Hebrews and Romans tell the story of the fledgling religion, without the naysaying commentary.

@fmf said
So, it is YOU who is missing the point.

You know better than this.

Does this mythology narrative of yours include "paganism"? Idols? "Graven images"?