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@chaney3 saidI think Rajk is right in his assessment, but would add:
"God overlooks sin in people He likes"
Wow.
Well, your interpretation seems plausible, but it just shows another contradiction between OT and NT.
Edit: I take that back. It seems God was okay with all the murdering Saul did.
God overlooks sin in people He likes or has a purpose for.
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So, the crpto atheist "Jesus when He walked the earth" says no son of God can possibly be involved in the house of God if he is not of sinless perfection.
Now the SONS of God are all in a process of education, perfecting, discipline, and correction as they grow in life - all things being NORMAL.
They are sons in the house of God at every stage of their curriculum of discipline. How do I know? The book of Hebrews tells me so.
Below SON is emphasized to show that at each stage of education in the house of God the believer is still a SON.
"You have not yet resisted unto blood, struggling against the sin. (v.4)
And you have completely forgotten the exhortation which reasons with you as with SONS, My SON, do not make light of the discipline of the Lord, nor faint when reproved by Him; (v.5)
For whom the Lord loves He disciplines and scourges every SON whom He receives. (v.6)
It is for discipline that you are enduring; God is dealing with you was with SONS; for what SON is there whom the father does not discipline? (v.7)
But if you are without discipline, of which all have become partakers, then you are bastards and not SONS, (v.8)
Furthermore, we have had the fathers of our flesh as discipliners and we respected them; shallwe not much rather be in subject to the Father of spirits and live? (v.9)
For they indeed disciplined us for a few days as t seemed good to them, but He for our ;profit that we might partake of His holiness. (v.10)
Indeed all discipline for the present does not seem to be a matter of joy but of grief; but afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who who have been exercised by it. (v.11) (See Hebrews 12:4-11)
Sons of God in the house of God are subject to being perfected partake more and more of God's holiness. No son of God is instantaneously perfected. God is dealing with growing SONS, And the SONS are of course growing and maturing in His household.
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Do you think ThinkOfOne actually CARES about sons of God under the Father's discipline in His house ?
He won't tell you that his "Jesus while He walked on earth" has no God, is not the Son of God, and has no house of God.
John 8 is only useful to ThinkOfOne as far as he can twist it to drive his atheistic Humanism.
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidJust because or for a reason, or specific reasons?
I think Rajk is right in his assessment, but would add:
God overlooks sin in people He likes or has a purpose for.
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@kellyjay saidI provided you with the David reference. Is David not your focus today?
Just because or for a reason, or specific reasons?
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidAccording to the topic the man is entitled to choose any of the following
I provided you with the David reference. Is David not your focus today?
- Disciple
- ship
- Ceasing
- sin
Plus the standard Rajk999 is a mouth worshiper.
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Matthew 5
20“For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.
48“Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Very good. And I believe the passage. I have to. The participant in the kingdom of the heavens should live by His grace the highest level of ethics.
Now, what ELSE does the book of Matthew teach ? Jesus says that in the reward of the kingdom of the heavens in the coming age there will be degrees of greatness. Some lesser in greatness and some greater in greatness are indicated. So there must be degrees of perfection at least in that time if not in eternity.
Proof:
"Whoever therefore shall annul one of the least of these commandments, and shall teach men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of the heavens; but whoever practices and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of the heavens.
For I say to you, that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall by no means enter into the kingdom of the heavens." (Matt. 5:19,20)
When Christ physically returns and sets up His kingdom over the globe, He will reward His overcoming saints. That is those who are not to suffer loss but are to be rewarded.
There will be the greater in the kingdom of the heavens.
And there will be the less great in the kingdom of the heavens.
There will be gradations of reward, gradations of positions, and gradations of responsibility.
This is for 1,000 years before ALL the sons of God have been thus perfected.
Their righteousness was deemed higher then that of the scribes and Pharisees. Yet some rule over five cities and some over ten cities and some called great and some great but less so.
Gradations of reward are in the coming millennial kingdom.
Umm, He was walking on the earth when He taught this.
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@sonship saidMatthew 5
@ThinkOfOne
Matthew 5
20“For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.
48“Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Very good. And I believe the passage. I have to. The participant in the kingdom of the heavens should live by His grace ...[text shortened]... eward are in the coming millennial kingdom.
Umm, He was walking on the earth when He taught this.
48“Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Evidently jaywill believes that rather than being truly perfect, the "heavenly Father" has "degrees of perfection".
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@thinkofone saidIsn't Jesus contradicting God?
Matthew 5
48“Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Evidently jaywill believes that rather than being truly perfect, the "heavenly Father" has "degrees of perfection".
Look at David, Moses and Saul as examples. Not at all perfect, but chosen.
One should hope, as has been said, that God likes you or has a purpose for you.
Edit: even the disciples turned their backs on Jesus when it mattered.
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@chaney3 saidNo.
Isn't Jesus contradicting God?
Look at David, Moses and Saul as examples. Not at all perfect, but chosen.
One should hope, as has been said, that God likes you or has a purpose for you.
Edit: even the disciples turned their backs on Jesus when it mattered.
Ultimately the gospel preached by Jesus is about transformation. Transformation into a righteous being. Not semi-righteous. Not mostly righteous. But truly righteous. Only the truly righteous shall have eternal life - shall enter the kingdom.
Jesus' gospel is consistent with what God said to the later OT prophets. It does not preclude those who were not always righteous. For example:
Ezekiel 33
13“When I say to the righteous he will surely live, and he so trusts in his righteousness that he commits iniquity, none of his righteous deeds will be remembered; but in that same iniquity of his which he has committed he will die. 14“But when I say to the wicked, ‘You will surely die,’ and he turns from his sin and practices justice and righteousness, 15if a wicked man restores a pledge, pays back what he has taken by robbery, walks by the statutes which ensure life without committing iniquity, he shall surely live; he shall not die. 16“None of his sins that he has committed will be remembered against him. He has practiced justice and righteousness; he shall surely live.
Isaiah 1
16“Wash yourselves, make yourselves clean;
Remove the evil of your deeds from My sight.
Cease to do evil,
17Learn to do good;
Seek justice,
Reprove the ruthless,
Defend the orphan,
Plead for the widow.
18“Come now, and let us reason together,”
Says the LORD,
“Though your sins are as scarlet,
They will be as white as snow;
Though they are red like crimson,
They will be like wool.
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidJesus is!
I provided you with the David reference. Is David not your focus today?
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@chaney3 saidAre you still a “I’ve always been” a Christian today or have you changed your mind.
"God overlooks sin in people He likes"
Wow.
Well, your interpretation seems plausible, but it just shows another contradiction between OT and NT.
Edit: I take that back. It seems God was okay with all the murdering Saul did.
Again.
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@thinkofone saidYou did know that the Lord’s Prayer was spoken by Jesus, while he walked the earth... don’t you.
John 8
34Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is the slave of sin."
" 31 ...If you abide in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; 32and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.”
"36So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed. "
35The slave does not remain in the house forever; the s ...[text shortened]... emain forever.
51Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he will never see death.”
Ever read it?
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@thinkofone saidWhen you say you like what Jesus said...”while he walked the earth”... are you excluding what he said when he was sitting, reclining at table, standing still etc?
Matthew 5
20“For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.
48“Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
I ask because you only seem to like certain bits of what Jesus said...while he was walking the earth...