17 Mar 21
@sonship saidIn my evaluation of you, do you think I was "speaking lies" and saying "every evil thing against you"?
"Blessed are you when they reproach you and persecute you, and while speaking lies, say every evil thing against you because of Me. Rejoice and exult, for your reward is great in the heavens; for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you." (Matt. 5:11,12)
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In my evaluation of you, do you think I was "speaking lies" and saying "every evil thing against you"?
"Blessed are you when they reproach you and persecute you, and while speaking lies, say every evil thing against you because of Me. Rejoice and exult, for your reward is great in the heavens; for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you." (Matt. 5:11,12)
I think the "they" means some do one thing, some do another, and some do yet another. I don't take it that one person does all of the things mentioned.
And yes, I think some of those things, you have done to Christians.
I would say you should consider pouring yourself into other things.
I do other things with much dedication. I take the advice as a sly insult.
As a teacher, you come across as a stiff and ill-tempered regurgitator of rote-learned and internalized dogma; I don't think it is your true calling at all.
I take this as a reproach.
I think you'd be better off walking your Christian walk
I take that as a reproach and lying.
And the lampoons which you touted out asking "How am I doing?" after each one I take as sneakily saying all manner of evil things about some Christians in a satirical way.
And going back over hundreds of posts in the past where you said belittling things many of which I would classify as a speaking evil things against Christians because of Jesus. In fact the posts that you most like to refer back to as mean things said by me to you I bet the vast majority were in reaction to insults at me for the sake of believing in Christ.
You probably will protest about your innocence. Ask some other Christians on the board. Maybe they will say I am speaking unfairly.
Bounce it off of SeconSon, Suziane, Rjhinds, djbecker, Philokalia, others clearly professing faith in Christ.
re·proach
/rəˈprōCH/
verb
address (someone) in such a way as to express disapproval or disappointment.
"“You know that isn't true,” he reproached her"
noun
the expression of disapproval or disappointment.
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17 Mar 21
@sonship saidIf you take 'reproach' as 'disapproval,' why is that not a valid evaluation?
@FMFIn my evaluation of you, do you think I was "speaking lies" and saying "every evil thing against you"?
"Blessed are you when they reproach you and persecute you, and while speaking lies, say every evil thing against you because of Me. Rejoice and exult, for your reward is great in the heavens; for so they persecuted the prophets who were befor ...[text shortened]... that isn't true,” he reproached her"
noun
the expression of disapproval or disappointment.
17 Mar 21
@sonship saidIn what way do you think I am "lying" about you in my evaluation and advice? I get that you don't agree with my evaluation and that you don't like it, but I am particularly interested in how you justify your accusation that I am "lying"?
I think the "they" means some do one thing, some do another, and some do yet another. I don't take it that one person does all of the things mentioned.
And yes, I think some of those things, you have done to Christians.I would say you should consider pouring yourself into other things.
I do other things with much dedication. I take the advice as a sl ...[text shortened]... think you'd be better off walking your Christian walk [/quote]
I take that as a reproach and lying.
17 Mar 21
@sonship saidI have expressed dissent and disagreement and I have criticized you for your behaviour. But, for example, I have never described your beliefs as "excrement" or "faeces" or accused you of being "evil".
Do you actually believe that you are incapable of reproaching Christians?
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My point blank reply to you is that you took some effort to sound objective, even constructive. But you exaggerate as far as I am concerned. And that to the point of evil speaking. Nobody will tell me that I don't walk my Christian faith. It is the walking here that has you annoyed. Though my missteps may have you annoyed too. I am not speaking about missteps.
Turn the tables. Suppose I told you "FMF, I think you really ought to act more like a true atheist. Walk the walk. That's my advice to you." ?
And I critique your reproaching not simply based on the one post to me in this thread. We have a long history back and forth here. You can feign innocence and pure objectivity if you wish. I don't have to buy it.
And as far as Christians in general, I told you to ask around some other Christians here. Maybe the unanimous opinion will be that you don't reproach believers in Christ or do any of the other things mentioned in that passage which tells us to rejoice if we are so treated.
17 Mar 21
@sonship saidI get that you don't like or agree with my evaluation and advice. But you are accusing me of "lying". Where have I been "lying" about my evaluation of your teaching? Which of my suggestions are examples of me "lying"?
My point blank reply to you is that you took some effort to sound objective, even constructive. But you exaggerate as far as I am concerned. And that to the point of evil speaking. Nobody will tell me that I don't walk my Christian faith. It is the walking here that has you annoyed. Though my missteps may have you annoyed too. I am not speaking about missteps.
17 Mar 21
@sonship saidI do not have a "long history" of "lying". You cannot find any examples of me "lying" - none at all - in our conversations going "back and forth here".
And I critique your reproaching not simply based on the one post to me in this thread. We have a long history back and forth here. You can feign innocence and pure objectivity if you wish. I don't have to buy it.
17 Mar 21
@sonship saidYou keep using the word "reproach". I am not asking you about that. I am asking specifically about your accusation that I have been "lying".
And as far as Christians in general, I told you to ask around some other Christians here. Maybe the unanimous opinion will be that you don't reproach believers in Christ or do any of the other things mentioned in that passage which tells us to rejoice if we are so treated.
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But you exaggerate as far as I am concerned. And that to the point of evil speaking. Nobody will tell me that I don't walk my Christian faith.
I already explained the few things I say you did and other places have done.
Re-asking again won't do anything.
And this was the manner in which I asked you to evaluate.
Grade me on a scale of 1 to 10 with 1 being the lowest and 10 being the highest.
1.) ought not to contend
2.) be gentle toward all
3.) apt to teach
4.) bearing with wrong
5.) in meekness
I know you try to employ what you thought was your own constructive thoughts from your perspective.
Now, your view isn't going to change.
And my view about certain things you do isn't going to change with grilling and re-asking.
As a teacher, you come across as a stiff and ill-tempered regurgitator of rote-learned and internalized dogma; I don't think it is your true calling at all.
I think you are not suited to it in interpersonal terms. I think you'd be better off walking your Christian walk in some other way and then just using this message board as a place to interact, on the level, with other diverse conversationalists and exhibiting your "relationship" with Jesus through your demeanour and behaviour.
You can put quotes around "relationship" with Jesus.
Get use to it. Your accusation that I do not walk as a Christian I take as reproach, evil speaking, and frankly lying.
I have visited prisons, women's detention centers, and shelters for youths of troubled families. I have not ignored some needing cloths or were needy in other ways, allowed people homeless to live in my home. A woman living out of a car we opened our home to for a year and a half. At this very moment our home is being shared with someone going through a messy divorce.
That I have no Christian life beside arguing here on this Forum is a slander you have no ground to be assured of.
18 Mar 21
@sonship saidYou are being low-integrity here, sonship.
Your accusation that I do not walk as a Christian I take as reproach, evil speaking, and frankly lying.
This is what I said:
"I think you'd be better off walking your Christian walk in some other way and then just using this message board as a place to interact, on the level, with other diverse conversationalists and exhibiting your 'relationship' with Jesus through your demeanour and behaviour."
Where is the "evil"? Where is the "lying"?