16 Mar 21
@rajk999 saidSonship’s posting is (in my opinion) primarily motivated by pride, the need for the recognition which he clearly doesn’t get from his own pastoral group.
I think you got your answer, although clearly not the one you were hoping for. What next? Are you going to change?
For that reason his posting will always grate and draw flack.
16 Mar 21
@sonship saidYou use a lot of biblical-sounding language, a rather grating trait. I don't know what "ought not to contend" means, but I'm guessing it's a something you heard a in a sermon and term just seemed really holy to you or whatever.
Here's an opportunity for me to learn from your evaluation of my teachings here how they might measure up in style to what I hold as Paul's standard.
[b]"But the slave of the Lord ought not to contend but be gentle toward all, apt to teach, bearing with wrong; In meekness correcting those who oppose, if perhaps God may give them repentance unto the full knowledge of the ...[text shortened]... lowing Divegeester's example request to be diagnosed.
And there are no grades less then 1. Okay?
Speak normally. Avoid the King James-style of speaking. Jesus didn't speak English, and was notable for being popular with the normal, non-religious people.
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Thanks.
I must have gotten that from Darby's translation.
King James Version
must not strive;
Darby Bible Translation
ought not to contend,
World English Bible
must not quarrel,
Young's Literal Translation
behoveth not to strive,
16 Mar 21
@divegeester saidDefinitely. I pity those people who end up being forced to listen to him in person.
Sonship’s posting is (in my opinion) primarily motivated by pride, the need for the recognition which he clearly doesn’t get from his own pastoral group.
For that reason his posting will always grate and draw flack.
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@sonship saidYou are a servant of Witness Lee. You preach almost nothing of Christ.
I gave you all an opportunity to air your thoughts about me as a servant of the Lord Jesus teaching.
Is this going to turn into one of those over 1,000 posts discussions?
Calling Lord Lord is not a teaching.
Calling Lord 10 times is even worse
How to profess faith is not a teaching of Christ
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Calling Lord Lord is not a teaching.
You are still ignorant. Isaiah 12:4 teaches believers to call upon God name and to declare His doings.
King James Bible
And in that day shall ye say, Praise the LORD, call upon his name, declare his doings among the people, make mention that his name is exalted.
Calling Lord 10 times is even worse
It is not worse. It may not be necessary. Then again it may be.
Isaiah 12:4 just taught us to call upon the name of the Lord without limiting or specifying how many times.
How to profess faith is not a teaching of Christ
Romans 10:9 is a specific teaching on professing faith.
In this you serve Satan and do not want people to be saved.
"That if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
For with the heart there is believing unto righteousness, and with the mouth there is confession unto salvation.
For the Scripture says, "Everyone who believes on Him shall not be put to shame"
That is teaching of prefession of faith and calling to the receiving of the gift of eternal life certainly. It did not say everyone who believes on Him cannot be disciplined by the Father.
You, Rajk999, remain blind. You are getting more blind in fact.
Satan has inflamed you to oppose men being saved.
16 Mar 21
@sonship saidI hope Isaiah and Paul give you eternal life in the Kingdom of God, because you sure aint getting it from Christ.
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Calling Lord Lord is not a teaching.
You are still ignorant. Isaiah 12:4 teaches believers to call upon God name and to declare His doings.
King James Bible
And in that day shall ye say, Praise the LORD, call upon his name, declare his doings among the people, make mention that his name is exalted.
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Calling Lord 1 ...[text shortened]... main blind. You are getting more blind in fact.
Satan has inflamed you to oppose men being saved.
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I hope Isaiah and Paul give you eternal life in the Kingdom of God, because you sure aint getting it from Christ.
King James Bible 1 John 5:12.
"He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life."
I have the Son of God. I have the eternal life.
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@sonship saidWrong. You have Paul and Witness Lee, neither of which can give you eternal life. Your calling Jesus 10,000 times does not give you the Son of God. You professing love for CHrist 1,000,000 times does nothing either.
@Rajk999I hope Isaiah and Paul give you eternal life in the Kingdom of God, because you sure aint getting it from Christ.
King James Bible 1 John 5:12.
"He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life."
I have the Son of God. I have the eternal life.
Who has the Son of God? They are those who abide in the love of Christ.
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. (John 15:10 KJV)
Since you never preach the keeping of the commandments I can only assume you do not believe in keeping the commandments and therefore Christ's love does not abide in you. You are a lover of yourself.
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I asked you more than once to produce examples of me teaching anyone to disobey the commandments of Christ. You can't show any examples because you lie about me.
You'll never produce any evidence of what you accuse me of.
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@sonship saidIn the last 3 months you started about 12 threads, 7 of them were on calling on Jesus and other forms of mouth worship. None of them were about the teachings and commandments of Christ. NONE. NOT ONE.
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I asked you more than once to produce examples of me teaching anyone to disobey the commandments of Christ. You can't show any examples because you lie about me.
You'll never produce any evidence of what you accuse me of.
Your hatred for the teachings of Christ is therefore obvious. Add that to the fact that you routinely referred to these commandments as legalistic, works salvation and burdensome, says alot about you hypocritically labelling yourself as a 'slave of Christ'.
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In the last 3 months you started about 12 threads, 7 of them were on calling on Jesus and other forms of mouth worship. None of them were about the teachings and commandments of Christ. NONE. NOT ONE.
Which one of the 12 threads taught people to disobey the commands of Christ?
If you cannot produce one then you lie to accuse me of teaching CALLING verses OBEYING Christ's commands.
If you cannot produce a CALLING verses OBEYING then produce ANYTHING related to knowing Christ VERSES OBEYING His commands.
I don't recommend or teach at any time the disobedience to Christ's commandments. I lay the foundation of KNOWING Christ in order to live by Christ, which includes OBEYING Christ.
17 Mar 21
@sonship saidAll your threads preach disobedience, because OBEDIENCE is NOT MENTIONED in your threads. Instead what you do is deliberately target the teachings of Christ, referring to these in derogative terms
@Rajk999In the last 3 months you started about 12 threads, 7 of them were on calling on Jesus and other forms of mouth worship. None of them were about the teachings and commandments of Christ. NONE. NOT ONE.
Which one of the 12 threads taught people to disobey the commands of Christ?
If you cannot produce one then you lie to accuse me of teaching CALLIN ...[text shortened]... s. I lay the foundation of KNOWING Christ in order to live by Christ, which includes OBEYING Christ.
- Works salvation [ which you condemn]
- Legalistic
- Pharisaical
- Burdensome
Have you not done these things? How can you now come and say like a hypocrite that you preach obedience to the commandments and knowing CHrist includes obedience. Your idea of knowing Christ is not what the bible says. Your knowing Christ is professing Christ with your mouth, whereas the bible says that knowing Christ IS KEEPING THE COMMANDMENTS :
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked. (1 John 2:3-6 KJV)
You are a liar and a deceiver according to John.
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@Rajk999
You also [like some unbelievers here] fight against the subjective experience of Christ.
The New Testament certainly teaches all about obedience to Christ.
But it is not without a focus on the experience of His life within.
His life within is the grace by which we are called to live.
You Rajk999, will always receive much less objection in this Forum.
That is because you give the impression that Christ does not even have to be alive. All one has to do is get some rules, some orders, some laws and do them.
When one is diligent to do these rules, he is a follower of Jesus. And it doesn't matter if Jesus is alive, available, resurrected, saves, or is able to indwell men.
Because the worldly people smell that YOUR "Gospel" is one in which it doesn't really matter if Jesus is alive or Lord or can come into their hearts, YOUR "Gospel" is more like the worldly philosophy of being a good person by one's own energy.
Because I have sensed this, I have gone much on the other side to tell people that it is only by Christ LIVING within that His grace can empower us follow Him.
I am going to open a thread on this way of obedience because the focus should be on Christ as life and not you or me.