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Do you agree with this non-biblical babble?

"Four-in-one" is an expression only to emphasize the dispensing of the triune God's life and nature into His people to incorporate them into a mingling with God. This is exactly what Jesus prayed for in that mighty prayer in John 17. And we KNOW it will be answered and come to pass.

The saved will never become
1.) Objects of worship
2.) Omnipotent
3.) Omniscient
4.) Omnipresent
5.) Creators of universes.

But Christ by incarnation was God-man.
And Christ by resurrection and dispensing reproduces many God-men.

This is for a corporate expression of God in man for eternity.

@sonship said

Do you agree with this non-biblical babble?

Ghost is crying out for some help here.

Curious indeed. If a Christian just talks about going to heaven that can be met with the usual atheist / skeptic dismissal.

But don't really get deep into the New Testament. Ghost the atheist runs to get help from traditional Christianity.

"We have here a common enemy" he must be thinking.

@sonship said
"Four-in-one" is an expression

@Ghost-of-a-Duke

I see the ground for saying the church and the triune God make a four-in-one.

I never took this to mean the church becomes the Godhead.
That's the darling accusation that you will cling obsessively to whistling for help.

Where's your help from evangelical Christianity's quarters?

@sonship said
@Ghost-of-a-Duke

I see the ground for saying the church and the triune God make a four-in-one.

I never took this to mean the church becomes the Godhead.
That's the darling accusation that you will cling obsessively to whistling for help.

Where's your help from evangelical Christianity's quarters?

@sonship said
I never took this to mean the church becomes the Godhead.

@Ghost-of-a-Duke

Whatever happens to us Christians will not be the result of any squeezing on our side. Cooperation of course, but not muscling.

Did you know Christ is the High Priest with an indestructible life to intercede for His people? He ever lives to intercede that we would be saved to the UTTERMOST .

"But He, because He abides forever, has His priesthood unalterable.

Hence also He is able to save to the uttermost those who come forward to God through Him, since He lives always to intercede for them." (Heb. 7:24,25)

What does atheism offer us better than this?
I mean besides begging traditional Christianity to help you dumb down the NT.

@sonship said
@Ghost-of-a-Duke

Whatever happens to us Christians will not be the result of any squeezing on our side. Cooperation of course, but not muscling.

Did you know Christ is the High Priest with an indestructible life to intercede for His people? He ever lives to intercede that we would be saved to the UTTERMOST .

[b]"But He, because He abides fo ...[text shortened]... us better than this?
I mean besides begging traditional Christianity to help you dumb down the NT.

In the mean time [my bolding]

J. S.'s Misrepresentation of Brother Lee's Teaching

Stated succinctly, J. S. charges Brother Lee with espousing and propagating “the greatest and worst blasphemous heresy,” “the devilish heresy that man will become god (or God).” As quoted in the foregoing section, Brother Lee clearly and emphatically teaches that “the Godhead is unique” and that “He is the only One who should be worshipped.” Recall Brother Lee's balanced word that, on the one hand, the New Testament reveals that “the Godhead is unique and that only God, who alone has the Godhead, should be worshipped” and that, on the other hand, the New Testament reveals that we, the believers in Christ, have God's life and nature and that “we are becoming God in life and in nature but will never have the Godhead” (emphasis added). In speaking of deification—the process through which the believers are constituted with the Triune God to be made God in life and in nature—Brother Lee says that man becomes “God in life and in nature but not, of course, in the Godhead” (emphasis added). Of course, the Godhead is unique. Of course, we will never have the Godhead. Of course, God alone is worthy of worship. Of course, the believers will never become an object of worship. Of course, the believers will never be made God in the sense of having the Godhead. “Never have the Godhead”—this crucial phrase deserves the attention of every honest reader of Brother Lee's materials.

Come again?

God in eternity past was God only, but in incarnation He was made man. He made Himself man that man may become God in life and in nature but not in the Godhead.

Witness Lee comments of what Athanasius ("the father of orthodoxy" so some) said.

"This brings us to the matter of deification—God's intention to make the believers God in life and in nature but not in the Godhead. Athanasius referred to deification when at the Council of Nicea in A.D. 325 he said, “He [Christ] was made man that we might be made God.” Although the term deification is familiar to many theologians and Christian teachers, during the past sixteen centuries only a small number have dared to teach regarding the deification of the believers in Christ.

I have not been influenced by any teaching about deification, but I have learned from my study of the Bible that God does intend to make the believers God in life and in nature but not in the Godhead. For instance, 1 John 3:2 says, “Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not yet been manifested what we will be. We know that if He is manifested, we will be like Him because we will see Him even as He is.” This verse clearly reveals that we will be like God."
- Witness Lee

https://www.ministrybooks.org/SearchMinBooksDsp.cfm?id=355DD703CE

Some mistakes may have been made by me as I am quoting some publications
written by co-workers of Lee.

Don't say I didn't catch the possible error.

From The Life Study of 2 Peter by Witness Lee
my bolding

"Certain early church fathers taught concerning the deification of the believers. But they did not teach that the believers attained to the Godhead or that they would ever be worshipped as God. Rather, they meant that Christians, those who have been regenerated of God, have God's life and nature. We, the regenerated ones, are the same as God in life and nature, but we are not the same as God in position in the Godhead. Concerning this, we need to be very careful. Actually, I do not use the word deification. It would be heretical to teach deification in the sense of claiming that believers attain to the Godhead. "

https://www.ministrybooks.org/SearchMinBooksDsp.cfm?id=345CD802CA

@sonship said
Here's an opportunity for me to learn from your evaluation of my teachings here how they might measure up in style to what I hold as Paul's standard.

[b]"But the slave of the Lord ought not to contend but be gentle toward all, apt to teach, bearing with wrong; In meekness correcting those who oppose, if perhaps God may give them repentance unto the full knowledge of the ...[text shortened]... lowing Divegeester's example request to be diagnosed.

And there are no grades less then 1. Okay?

@Kevin-Eleven

Also, I think it would be wrong to become free in Christ only to become a slave of the Lord. What the hell?!!!