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@ghost-of-a-duke said
I think you misread her post. She said:

'I don't happen to believe the concept that "God never changes".

A vision of omnipotence is hardly likely to be a static thing. How do you represent the possibility of being everything and anything. If we were in that image it would have to be within the remarkable potential carried in our DNA (and perhaps that was already in DNA as it moved things towards our existence). Who knows where it will end. If you had seen the single cell organisms you would hardly have predicted humanity? What is it that humanity will become if it is to be as different again?

@suzianne said
No. But guess what? I'm pretty damned tired of your automatic derision by now.

What “derision”? What are you on about?

@suzianne said

Stop harassing me.

Harassing you! You are utterly ridiculous.

@suzianne said
I've answered this. Multiple times in this one thread.

Then please just take 10 seconds to cut and paste where you answers it here, now. Because imo you’ve just hopped around it.

@suzianne said
Not out of being "in God's image" he hasn't.

We're still the same species we've always been.

“We're still the same species we've always been.“

But evolution shows that we haven’t been the “same species we’ve always been”.

@suzianne said
Take a good long look at this thread, and my posts in it, and maybe more telling, the posts of others in it, including you.

https://www.redhotpawn.com/forum/spirituality/creation-and-evolution.177892

This is a 69 page thread which you’ve managed to find. Nevertheless as you have taken the trouble to dig it up I will take the time to look through it. Thank you .

@ghost-of-a-duke said
I think you misread her post. She said:

'I don't happen to believe the concept that "God never changes".

🙂

@suzianne said
I don't happen to believe the concept that "God never changes". It's a bit of self-advertizing that isn't quite true.

Thanks to Ghost of a Duke for highlighting this.

God has said in scripture that he is unchanging. Do you not accept his word?

@petewxyz said
A vision of omnipotence is hardly likely to be a static thing.

The biblical vision of omnipotence is that God never changes.

@petewxyz said
A vision of omnipotence is hardly likely to be a static thing. How do you represent the possibility of being everything and anything. If we were in that image it would have to be within the remarkable potential carried in our DNA (and perhaps that was already in DNA as it moved things towards our existence). Who knows where it will end. If you had seen the single cell organi ...[text shortened]... dly have predicted humanity? What is it that humanity will become if it is to be as different again?

I don't recognize anything as being omnipotent.

@wolfgang59 said
Surely one generation to the next will always be the same species!

Definitions of species in an evolutionary lineage are quite arbritary.

That's my point. New species have to come from somewhere, however, and there are different thoughts and theories as to how this happens. If two populations of the same species become isolated for say, ten million years, chances are that different adaptations to environment and so on will engender sufficient distinctions between the two populations to make them classifiable as two distinct species. They start off as the same thing and end up different. And I know that we've had a long thread somewhere about the 'punctuated equilibrium' theory, whereby by dint of some cataclysmic event, new characteristics (the neck of the giraffe for example) appear 'quickly' in species which makes them worthy of new classification, or it could just be by dint of a genetic mutation in one species, say a giraffe with a really long neck which does better for itself by reaching higher branches, breeds more successfully and becomes the dominant phenotype. You know how this works, I'm sure.
We are unique as a species. We've invented airplanes, which means that we can now get anywhere in the world very quickly. (Much quicker than ten million years, anyway, even with British Airways) Central heating and air - conditioning mean that any of us can now quite comfortably live anywhere, and so we do, and so we are busy about the business of interbreeding between previously isolated populations, it's a small world now. I also think that someone walking down Neasden High Street with a really long neck would probably be noticed. We self - analyse, we study ourselves and such, and so it's hard to see how any group of us could become so distinct from another group that we become classifiable as a different species. We adapt as a species, and adaptations are passed on from one generation to another anywhere and everywhere, the small distinctions quickly become blurred.
This is an interesting discussion, and we really don't need the exclamation marks, by the way.

@divegeester said
Thanks to Ghost of a Duke for highlighting this.

God has said in scripture that he is unchanging. Do you not accept his word?

Of course, the Bible is hardly consistent on this.

"Also the Glory of Israel will not lie or change His mind; for He is not a man that He should change His mind.” (1 Samuel 15:29)

"So the Lord changed His mind about the harm which He said He would do to His people." (Exodus 32:14).

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Of course, the Bible is hardly consistent on this.

"Also the Glory of Israel will not lie or change His mind; for He is not a man that He should change His mind.” (1 Samuel 15:29)

"So the Lord changed His mind about the harm which He said He would do to His people." (Exodus 32:14).

I think you are misrepresenting the nature of God as portrayed through the entire bible by using a couple of scriptures. Localised and temporal context is important of course.

For example it is obvious that God changes his mind about as intervention prayer is a theme and principle throughout the bible.

Malachi 3:6
I am the Lord and I change not.

Refers to God’s nature. Image is a reflection of nature.

Colossians
He (Jesus) is the exact representation of his being.

“Image“ is about permanency.

@divegeester said
I think you are misrepresenting the nature of God as portrayed through the entire bible by using a couple of scriptures. Localised and temporal context is important of course.

For example it is obvious that God changes his mind about as intervention prayer is a theme and principle throughout the bible.

Malachi 3:6
I am the Lord and I change not.

Refers to God’ ...[text shortened]...
Colossians
He (Jesus) is the exact representation of his being.

“Image“ is about permanency.

The Bible presents a God who is omniscient. Do you agree with this? If so, why would an omniscient being who has known everything from the beginning of creation change His mind about anything?

Any change of mind is not compatible with Him being all-knowing, immutable, or unchanging.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
The Bible presents a God who is omniscient. Do you agree with this? If so, why would an omniscient being who has known everything from the beginning of creation change His mind about anything?

Any change of mind is not compatible with Him being all-knowing, immutable, or unchanging.

Yes I agree with that.

I’ve no idea why he would change his mind, I’m simply pointing out what is in the bible.

That’s your opinion I suppose.