29 Jan 19
@sonship saidDo you fear being reincarnated as an insect as Dasa once warned us our fate would be? No. Did his threat/warning make you adopt his religious beliefs. No.
Ask me how much I am interested in your poetic postering.
Try as hard as you can to imagine that there is no God.
I bet you cannot make it to convince yourself.
But if I am wrong.
Not believing you are going to die one day won't cause the inevitability of your death to go away.
"How can I fear what I don't believe in?"
How can what is real become not real because one has no belief in it? Or at least puts on a good show of it."
29 Jan 19
@fmf saidI do not look forward to having my thighs massaged by several virgins any more than I fear being tortured for eternity. These ideas are equally ineffective in modifying my thoughts of behaviours.
Do you fear being reincarnated as an insect as Dasa once warned us our fate would be? No. Did his threat/warning make you adopt his religious beliefs. No.
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Whoever you are - You may not have all the details of the New Testament or of the Old Testament in your belief.
But the creation itself convinces you that a Supreme Being created it. I have to make a choice whether to believe skeptics or believe Paul's wisdom. I think Paul is right and the skeptics are putting on their best show.
A human being is without excuse not to believe in God the Creator. God has made sure that deep in your heart his creatures recognize that there must be God. (What God is like - they may not know.)
" ... men who hold down the truth in unrighteousness,
Because that which is known of God is manifest within them, for God has manifested it to them.
For the invisible things of HIm, both His eternal power and divine characteristics, have been clearly seen since the creation of the world, being perceived by the things made,
so that they would be without excuse." (See Romans 1:10-20)
NO EXCUSE to not understand One of "eternal power" and One of "divine characteristics" is ultimately responsible for the existence of the universe.
I think this was true ten thousand years ago.
I think it was true a thousand years ago.
If Jesus delays coming again it will STILL be true a thousand years FROM now.
I don't believe ANY advancement in knowledge about the natural world can erase the conviction that a Supreme God is the source of all creation.
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I as of yet have met no insect who said -
" I had my chance as a human being to have a better reincarnation. Too bad I had to come back as an insect . " Maybe I'll sit up and take closer notice if that happens.
Plenty of people drawing close to the end of their life contemplated that their next event was to meet God - for ill or for blessing.
If your previous life was that of Henry Googinhymn or Sally Brekinridge or a snake or caterpillar or a dandelion flower or an amoeba for that matter, you have no such memory of that life.
If you return as someone else in the future - his life will be his life and your life will be your life. You will be responsible for your life and he will be responsible for his life. And any previous person or animal or plant you were before you were FMF will be responsible not for FMF but for who or what they were.
29 Jan 19
@sonship saidSo you lack belief in what Dasa believed and what he threatened and what he insisted you should fear; why? Because you cannot fear something you don't believe in. See? The same goes for you and your beliefs. I am not threatened by the religious assertions you make and what you insist I should fear... because I cannot fear something I don't believe in. Neither us can. Nobody can.
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I as of yet have met no insect who said -
" I had my chance as a human being to have a better reincarnation. Too bad I had to come back as an insect . " Maybe I'll sit up and take closer notice if that happens.
Plenty of people drawing close to the end of their life contemplated that their next event was to meet God - for ill or for blessing.
...[text shortened]... or plant you were before you were FMF will be responsible not for FMF but for who or what they were.
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@sonship saidAnd 'still' you continue not to understand that it is the 'same' soul that is said to be reincarnated, irrespective of the lack of memory.
@FMF
I as of yet have met no insect who said -
" I had my chance as a human being to have a better reincarnation. Too bad I had to come back as an insect . " Maybe I'll sit up and take closer notice if that happens.
Plenty of people drawing close to the end of their life contemplated that their next event was to meet God - for ill or for blessing.
...[text shortened]... or plant you were before you were FMF will be responsible not for FMF but for who or what they were.
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What is it about "the creation itself" that corroborates torturer god ideology? What is it about "the creation itself" that corroborates belief in the "afterlife"?
You have no standard to measure that a "torturing god" is a really bad thing.
You constantly try to sit on God's lap in order to be able to reach up to slap Him on the face.
No matter how you slip in there " torturing god " as a bad, bad No-No, it has not force. You don't believe there is a REAL ultimate goodness or a REAL ultimate badness.
For God to love eternally and supremely righteousness necessarily means that He has an infinite displeasure in sin.
He became sin in the incarnation of Christ and His dying in our place on the cross, that we might become justified.
If for eternity God sees to it that we realize Who it was Who went to the uttermost that we be saved, then He just does so.
How do you know that a man's ability to insult God terminates at death? You don't know that somehow continued rebellion will call forth for continual punishment.
How do you know that in that realm you will not continue to let God know what you think about Him and He in turn will forever reply as to what He thinks about you?
I wouldn't let curiosity cause me to go there to find out.
I would take the good news and warning of salvation from One who did die and rise - Who is an authority on such matters of eternal destinies.
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And 'still' you continue not to understand that it is the 'same' soul that is said to be reincarnated, irrespective of the lack of memory.
I have understood your point on that and contemplated it.
But I don't trust the notion over what the Bible has taught.
If I live and then die and then live again, the Bible shows that there is an unbroken continuum of self awareness.
What you are saying is that self awareness is broken totally at death and the same soul comes back as a different life.
I say a different life is a different soul.
At any rate no one here has any experiential knowledge of dying and returning - either way. It behooves us to listen to the teaching of One who has died and been raised from the dead.
How can we possibly ignore One who said and lived as He said, being "I am the resurrection and the life" (John 11:25)
If He had just died we could say "Well Jesus, we don't know that You know anything about it. You're just like the rest of us."
But He rose on the third day. We better listen to His explanation of what it is all about.
29 Jan 19
@sonship saidIf you had a morally coherent argument to support your torturer god ideology, presumably you would make it. Simply declaring it "supreme righteousness" is just an assertion. It is not an argument.
@FMF
What is it about "the creation itself" that corroborates torturer god ideology? What is it about "the creation itself" that corroborates belief in the "afterlife"?
You have no standard to measure that a "torturing god" is a really bad thing.
You constantly try to sit on God's lap in order to be able to reach up to slap Him on the face.
...[text shortened]... salvation from One who did die and rise - Who is an authority on such matters of eternal destinies.
29 Jan 19
@sonship saidThe sentences you typed, ostensibly in reply to what I posted, in fact sidestepped the content of my post. Two questions:
@FMF
What is it about "the creation itself" that corroborates torturer god ideology? What is it about "the creation itself" that corroborates belief in the "afterlife"?
You have no standard to measure that a "torturing god" is a really bad thing.
You constantly try to sit on God's lap in order to be able to reach up to slap Him on the face.
...[text shortened]... salvation from One who did die and rise - Who is an authority on such matters of eternal destinies.
What is it about "creation itself" that corroborates torturer god ideology?
What is it about "creation itself" that corroborates belief in the "afterlife"?
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Someone find us a cockroach who can come here and explain.
"People, let me tell you. I remember when I was a human being. And I recall exactly where I generated too much bad karma. I know what I did. It is as clear to me as if it happened yesterday.
Now I have to be a cockroach for one lifetime to pay for my bad karma."
A different life is a different soul with different responsibilities I think.
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@sonship saidIt's not about the Bible or what 'you' think personally. When we discuss Reincarnation as it is understood by those who believe in such a concept (whether they be Hindu or otherwise) it is what 'they' believe that matters. - Why is that even a point of discussion?
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And 'still' you continue not to understand that it is the 'same' soul that is said to be reincarnated, irrespective of the lack of memory.
I have understood your point on that and contemplated it.
But I don't trust the notion over what the Bible has taught.
If I live and then die and then live again, the Bible shows that there ...[text shortened]... s."
But He rose on the third day. We better listen to His explanation of what it is all about.
Reincarnation involves the same soul being reborn in a cycle of rebirth until enlightenment ends this process. Reincarnation (and karma) would make absolutely no sense if this continuation of the soul did not take place. - Contemplate on that as much as you like, it won't enable you to re-write the meaning of reincarnation.
How would you feel if I repeatedly misrepresented an important concept from Christianity, even after being informed of my error?
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@sonship said2 points in regards to your extremely silly post:
Someone find us a cockroach who can come here and explain.
"People, let me tell you. I remember when I was a human being. And I recall exactly where I generated too much bad karma. I know what I did. It is as clear to me as if it happened yesterday.
Now I have to be a cockroach for one lifetime to pay for my bad karma."
A different life is a different soul with different responsibilities I think.
1. Cockroaches can't talk.
2. There is no memory after rebirth. - Why is this difficult for you to understand when you yourself believe the same lack of memory occurs when souls go to heaven? (Is the soul in heaven not the same soul that existed on earth? ) - Not remembering a previous life appears to be part of the mechanism for spiritual growth.