12 Sep 17
Originally posted by @sonshipSo no verse from you either.Racism is not listed as a sin. Jesus was a racist. He called a woman a dog because she was not Jewish.
Racism in itself must not be sinful.
It is sinful to modern culture but God doesn't care about that.
Christ said that He would build His church [b](Matt.16:18) and that the gates of Hades would not prevail against it. This ...[text shortened]... an conscience should recognize when something is not of the Holy Spirit but of the fallen flesh.[/b]
12 Sep 17
Originally posted by @dj2beckerNo quote?
You see yourself as a loving racist? This has to be the joke of the century.
Was Jesus a loving racist or just a racist?
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Racism is not listed as a sin. Jesus was a racist. He called a woman a dog because she was not Jewish.
Racism in itself must not be sinful.
It is sinful to modern culture but God doesn't care about that.
According to the passage that excludes a Christian from participation in the kingdom of God, "factions, sects, divisions," and "THINGS LIKE THESE" should alert you that schism in the Body of Christ along racial lines too, must be included.
You recoil at "fornication" as sinful.
But you want to excuse as just fine 'sects" - white church, black church
But you want to excuse as OK "divisions" ie. exclusion of brothers in Christ from fellowship of the church the Body of Christ because of race.
You would condemn sorcery as a work of the flesh yet justify sectarian, divisive factions with outbursts of anger and jealousy.
Even refined and cultured "isms" cannot be in the church which Christ builds.
"Beware that no one carries you off as spoil through his philosophy and empty deceit, according to the traditions of men, according to the elements of the world, and not according to Christ." (Col. 2:8)
Even your refined and cultured Racism can carry a Christian off from Christ.
Some sectarianism is ugly and with outbursts of violence.
Some sectarianism is refined and philosophical, seemingly held in high esteem.
Paul warns that this is these are the traditions of men which can carry us away from Christ.
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12 Sep 17
Originally posted by @eladarSo you are so dull that you cannot see that the words -"and things like these" means that the list is only representative.
So no verse from you either.
And because "racism" or "racialism" is not spelled out in the Greek language per se, you are justified to cling to it.
Originally posted by @sonshipThings like these can mean anything unprovable one way or the other.
So you are so dull that you cannot see that the words -[b]"and things like these" means that the list is only representative.
And because "racism" or "racialism" is not spelled out in the Greek language per se, you are justified to cling to it.[/b]
If you rely on that kind of support for your belifs you are grounded in nothing.
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12 Sep 17
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Originally posted by @eladarNo we are grounded in the word of God and have living functioning model communities on the continents of the normal church life.
Things like these can mean anything unprovable one way or the other.
If you rely on that kind of support for your belifs you are grounded in nothing.
www.localchurchs.org
"There cannot be Greek and Jew ..." (Colossians 3:11)
"There cannot be Jew nor Greek ..." (Galatians 3:28)
12 Sep 17
Originally posted by @sonshipWhere did I say that race would keep people out of heaven?
No we are grounded in the word of God and have living functioning model communities on the continents of the normal church life.
www.localchurchs.org
[b]"There cannot be Greek and Jew ..." (Colossians 3:11)
"There cannot be Jew nor Greek ..." (Galatians 3:28) [/b]
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Originally posted by @eladarSpecifically no quote from you that I implied that Racism was a one way ticket to hell.
So in other words no quote.
So your exaggerated bluster is exposed.
As long as there is today and a Lord and Savior to save us there is no "one way ticket".
All sins can be forgiven, lower gross ones and cultured refined and philosophical sounding ones.
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Originally posted by @eladarYou read "the kingdom of God" and you think "Heaven".
Where did I say that race would keep people out of heaven?
Where does it say in the Bible God wants people to stay in Heaven forever ?
Originally posted by @sonshipSo you agree that a racist can go to heaven as is.
Specifically no quote from you that I implied that Racism was a one way ticket to hell.
So your exaggerated bluster is exposed.
As long as there is today and a Lord and Savior to save us there is no "one way ticket".
All sins can be forgiven, lower gross ones and cultured refined and philosophical sounding ones.
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Originally posted by @eladarBefore you pepper me with more questions why don't you admit that you are completely void of evidence of what you charged me with?
So you agree that a racist can go to heaven as is.
In Christ's salvation we get to be forgiven of all of our sins.
There is something that we do not get.
We do not get to remain the same kind of person forever, that we were when we sinned.
In the warnings of what will exclude a Christian from inheriting the kingdom of God, Paul is not talking about "going to heaven". He is speaking of the millennial kingdom in the next age for a thousand years.
And He is talking about afterwards in the age of the new heaven and new earth.
We must be sanctified, transformed, and conformed to the image of Christ.
We will not be inheritors of God's kingdom if we are still living in the old man.
You and I may postpone such work of conformation, but not indefinitely.
God is very wise. And He has His ways to induce us to cooperate.
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12 Sep 17
Originally posted by @eladarGenesis 1:27 God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.
No quote?
Was Jesus a loving racist or just a racist?
If we were all created in God's image what gives you the right to say one race is better than another?
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12 Sep 17
Originally posted by @eladarHow about you show me the phrase "go to heaven" in the Bible.
So you agree that a racist can go to heaven as is.
That is a gamble. You may find it.
Find it first, and we'll go from there.
Inherit the kingdom of God is inherit the kingdom of God.
Being in heaven is being in heaven.
The prayer Jesus taught His disciples said "Your kingdom COME" not "Your kingdom [GO]. "
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12 Sep 17
In the New Testament churches are according to cities.
There are no churches according to race or nationality or color of skin.
You may have meetings dedicated to certain language groups.
For practicality a Spanish Speaking meeting or a English Speaking meeting or a German Speaking meeting.
These are not a Spanish church, a English church, or a German church.
In the one new man Christ is all and in all.
Christ is preeminent in all things and we are to grow up in all things holding to Christ the Head.
If you are a Christian and want to hang on to some racial pride in a divisive and sectarian way, you are in danger of not being prepared to inherit the kingdom of God when Jesus comes back.
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Originally posted by @dj2beckerActs 17:26 is also relevant here in terms of the created man.
Genesis 1:27 God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.
If we were all created in God's image what gives you the right to say one race is better than another?
"And He made from one [blood] every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, determining beforehand their appointed seasons amd the boundaries of their dwelling."
Some MSS read "one blood". Rather a death knell to a philosophy of racism.